Snatch Straps

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I have never used them and I am sure they have the required strength etc. My main concern is chaffing and cutting where they might go through mounting points on a vehicle - if the surface is rounded then all good but where it is "squared" off I assume the soft shackles would wear quickly.

As I said - never used them so interested in experiences on this aspect.
 

madmonk

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I saw a good video from Seek Adventure on YouTube where they compared soft and hard shackles and looked at various rigging configurations using both. One of the things I took away was that sometimes the soft shackle was the weakest link of all the recovery gear being used, which makes you consider where and how you would use them.
 

typhoeus

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I saw a good video from Seek Adventure on YouTube where they compared soft and hard shackles and looked at various rigging configurations using both. One of the things I took away was that sometimes the soft shackle was the weakest link of all the recovery gear being used, which makes you consider where and how you would use them.
Of all the things which could fail, from the snatch strap to the bolts holding the recovery point on, the soft shackle is the thing you want to let go first, Kinda like a fuse protecting a circuit
 

Triton14

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Of all the things which could fail, from the snatch strap to the bolts holding the recovery point on, the soft shackle is the thing you want to let go first, Kinda like a fuse protecting a circuit

But that's the week point right, the soft shackle??

Just saying!

If you look back through this thread you will see that industry testing of D shackles is like 4 times the actual rated breaking strain.

I know which one I would be carrying!
 

silkwood

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This interests me. To my mind the weakest point (the "fuse") should always be the rope (presuming use of rope, not wire). If damped correctly this should have the least likelihood of damage. The connection to the vehicle is (almost consistently) significantly stronger. The question comes when connecting the winch rope (or snatch-strap, not that I like using them) to whatever anchor is being used. Usually this is a tree protector or another vehicle. If the anchor point of the second vehicle is sound, again the rope would be the fuse.

If a tree-protector (or equalising bridle) is used, this becomes the point of contention. If sound and properly used, it will be significantly stronger than the rope (I saw an 'expert" on some 4wd show on the weekend using a larks-head knot around the tree -from a climbing perspective a terrible idea, I presume the same for recovery gear?).

If this is sound reasoning (and I am not suggesting I am certain on this) then I am having difficulty understanding where the benefit of the soft shackle comes in. They became popular with sailors but does that mean the benefits are there for vehicle recovery? Looking at it from the perspective I have outlined, I can only see the benefit of soft shackles if there is a risk other equipment (e.g. anchor points on vehicle) is below par. How often is the solid shackle responsible for either failures or incidents as the result of other failures? Does anyone have data on this?

Cheers,
Mark
 

typhoeus

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I think there is evidence of bow shackles etc failing dramatically and then you have pieces of metal flying around at high speedthe soft shackle has no substantial weight, so with synthetic winch rope and snatch straps, little weight means safer recoveries.
 

cam04

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I think there is evidence of bow shackles etc failing dramatically and then you have pieces of metal flying around at high speedthe soft shackle has no substantial weight, so with synthetic winch rope and snatch straps, little weight means safer recoveries.
You will not find evidence of a bow shackle failing in 4wd recovery unless they've manage to invent a better idiot. You'll see the shackle ripping pieces of car off though, in which case it doesn't matter what the shackle is made of. 'WLL' stamped equipment from the real world has a MINIMUM safety factor of 5 (some manufactures use 6), so your 3.6t WLL common recovery shackle won't fail until at least 18t. We have nothing in the 4wd world which is going to break that. If a rope shackle, which are shown to fail at 10t odd, had to have a WLL, it would be 2t. An 8t strap would have a theoretical WLL of 1.6t. Not very much compared to the bow shackle.
I find this notion that there should be a weak point in a rigging system absurd in the extreme. If an 18t MBS shackle fails in any system, there is not a chance in hell I am going to replace it with an item that fails at 10t and call it 'good to go'.
 

typhoeus

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You will not find evidence of a bow shackle failing in 4wd recovery unless they've manage to invent a better idiot. You'll see the shackle ripping pieces of car off though, in which case it doesn't matter what the shackle is made of. 'WLL' stamped equipment from the real world has a MINIMUM safety factor of 5 (some manufactures use 6), so your 3.6t WLL common recovery shackle won't fail until at least 18t. We have nothing in the 4wd world which is going to break that. If a rope shackle, which are shown to fail at 10t odd, had to have a WLL, it would be 2t. An 8t strap would have a theoretical WLL of 1.6t. Not very much compared to the bow shackle.
I find this notion that there should be a weak point in a rigging system absurd in the extreme. If an 18t MBS shackle fails in any system, there is not a chance in hell I am going to replace it with an item that fails at 10t and call it 'good to go'.
yes, you are probably right, its the "etc" in my comment that fails, but still results in the shackle flying at high speed. so when the recovery point fails, it flies off but a lower rated soft shackle would be safer in that instance
 

Batts88

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You will not find evidence of a bow shackle failing in 4wd recovery unless they've manage to invent a better idiot. You'll see the shackle ripping pieces of car off though, in which case it doesn't matter what the shackle is made of. 'WLL' stamped equipment from the real world has a MINIMUM safety factor of 5 (some manufactures use 6), so your 3.6t WLL common recovery shackle won't fail until at least 18t. We have nothing in the 4wd world which is going to break that. If a rope shackle, which are shown to fail at 10t odd, had to have a WLL, it would be 2t. An 8t strap would have a theoretical WLL of 1.6t. Not very much compared to the bow shackle.
I find this notion that there should be a weak point in a rigging system absurd in the extreme. If an 18t MBS shackle fails in any system, there is not a chance in hell I am going to replace it with an item that fails at 10t and call it 'good to go'.
As long as you have good quality shackles as there are brands that fail there was a test done in a mag yrs ago which was pretty good. Also have to remember the safety factor means nothing if you shock load a shackle as that can cause it to fail way below it's breaking strain or create fracture you may not see when you use it next time for a recovery.
 

cam04

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As long as you have good quality shackles as there are brands that fail there was a test done in a mag yrs ago which was pretty good. Also have to remember the safety factor means nothing if you shock load a shackle as that can cause it to fail way below it's breaking strain or create fracture you may not see when you use it next time for a recovery.
I disagree. Lifting Shackles are designed to stretch before they break, rather than fracture. If you see one on a stressing bed they will distort horribly before finally letting go. They give you every chance.That is why brittle steels like stainless steel cannot be proof tested - it work hardens and can fracture. Yes, dynamic loading means all bets are off, but they put up with a hell of a lot more than any other piece of recovery gear before failing. The ones that were failing in the mag as I recall were the unrated hardware store D shackles. I still have not ever heard of any standard 3.2t Bow shackle failing in a 4wd recovery situation. I have seen plenty of failures of cars, chassis and other recovery gear though.
A recent test vid. Note also they were horribly pin loading the shackle and it wasn’t allowed to pull straight and still went to 35t odd!

 

Batts88

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I disagree. Lifting Shackles are designed to stretch before they break, rather than fracture. If you see one on a stressing bed they will distort horribly before finally letting go. They give you every chance.That is why brittle steels like stainless steel cannot be proof tested - it work hardens and can fracture. Yes, dynamic loading means all bets are off, but they put up with a hell of a lot more than any other piece of recovery gear before failing. The ones that were failing in the mag as I recall were the unrated hardware store D shackles. I still have not ever heard of any standard 3.2t Bow shackle failing in a 4wd recovery situation. I have seen plenty of failures of cars, chassis and other recovery gear though.
A recent test vid. Note also they were horribly pin loading the shackle and it wasn’t allowed to pull straight and still went to 35t odd!

In a perfect world yes but that doesn't always happen good luck seeing it distraught when doing a snatch recovery you must have eagle eyes you may see it when winching if your near one or periodically check them during the winching process. Also if shackles are shock loaded they are consider not good and should be thrown. Just like other recovery or lifting gear if it's dragged around on the ground over rocks or on concrete floors etc they have to be de- rated. I started working with lifting equipment in 1985 for over 20yrs I am no expert but have a reasonable idea of what can go wrong and have seen lots of failures over the yrs not all text book stuff.
 

Triton14

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You would have to wonder about those soft shackles over the D shackles if you were fully loaded & down to your axles!

7 times the rated

I do not say that soft shackles dont have a place but when push comes to shove I bet the guys that have soft shackles still have a couple of D shackles in the boot as well :eek:
 

Dunwonderin

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Snatch Straps are expendable items; as they have a limited working life. A safety feature of good straps is an overload indicator (usually brightly coloured cotton thread) that is sewn into the straps weave. If you can see this after use it is time to throw your strap away, it has been over stretched. Snatch Straps are specifically designed to stretch under load and provide a natural kinetic stretch of around 20%. They are woven from 100% Nylon and are available in various widths, ratings, lengths and should have reinforced eyes and be rot & mildew resistant.

Contrary to popular believe Snatch Straps require regular maintenance. Use in a muddy environment traps dirt or sand between the weave and doesn’t allow the strap to recoil properly. When this happens you don’t get the full kinetic stretch. Dirty straps should be washed in cold, clean water (don’t be tempted to use detergent). Ensure you dry out them of the sun as they are not U.V. stabilised. Avoid rolling up a wet strap, as this can cause mildew, if left for a prolonged periods of time. Before use, all snatch straps should be inspected for cuts and abrasions. If suspect, discard it and use another strap, when a strap breaks it lets go with a huge amount of force. Incidentally, a strap usually breaks at the start of the stitching. If it breaks anywhere along the strap, it has had too much load placed on it. Never use a strap with a twist in it, as this concentrates the load on a narrow area of the strap.

Consideration should be given to the increased load that rolling resistance places on the strap. Rolling resistance = Mass x Factor. A smooth hard road has a factor of 0.04 Heavy mud (600mm deep) has a factor of 2.00 It doesn’t take much for a cruiser or patrol, when fully loaded to exceed 3000kg. Combine that with an incline, heavy mud or sand, the gross vehicle mass of the towing vehicle and all of a sudden your snatch strap is over its nominated rating. A word of caution. Snatch straps have a rating that might state “Tested to 8000kg” but no safety margin is included in that statement, hence its breaking load could be 8001kg. Straps also lose 10% of their capacity when they are wet.
Winch Extension Straps
Winch Extension Straps and Tree Trunk Protectors are made from Polyester Webbing (low stretch). They stretch approximately 3% when under load. They should not under any circumstances be used as a snatch strap. They are designed to have a static load not a shock load.
Hi can you recommend a treatment for snatch straps that have been affected by mould? Thx
 

CaptainBanana

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I run all my straps through the washing machine after every trip I'm not sure if it will completely get rid of the mould but might help, potentially use an oxy action or something similar.
 

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
I run all my straps through the washing machine after every trip I'm not sure if it will completely get rid of the mould but might help, potentially use an oxy action or something similar.
I would suggest using a wool wash though, general washing powder has quite nasty chemicals that could deteriorate your straps faster
 

discomatt

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Give it a good wash as mentioned, I can only do the washing machine wash on selected days for obvious reasons , but after its been washed fill a bucket with water and add about 1 l. of vinegar, give it a swish around and dry as normal, this will kill any mould spores left behind
 

cam04

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Give it a good wash as mentioned, I can only do the washing machine wash on selected days for obvious reasons , but after its been washed fill a bucket with water and add about 1 l. of vinegar, give it a swish around and dry as normal, this will kill any mould spores left behind
I know those days. Same days as the Weber grill and hotplates get put through the dishwasher! ;)
 
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