funhouse53
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Trying to decide between a turbo diesel cruiser or TD prado around the 2002 vintage to be able to get up the bush on weekends but sadly because of family time restraint won't be traveling across the country any great distance ,
have always loved LC's but on the practical side was heading towards a prado because of better fuel mileage easier to drive around town ,would'nt be towing a large van and all the other practical crap you have to consider, when i came across this on a site talking about the difference in prado engines:
While the 1KD-FTV looks great on paper as Mick has pointed out, in real world terms it maybe the engine that destroys some of Toyota's reputation that took so long to build. Like so many other countries, Australia seems to find it hard to produce to the spec, quality fuel that the new generation of common rails diesel engines require for the consumer to get payback out of their investment. Where there has been gains in fuel consumption over the 1KZ-TE you will loose in expensive repair bills for a lot of people. Real world problems (reliability issues) for Toyota Australia and the consumer so far : To state the obvious, Injectors have been a big problem especially with the first generation solenoid type. Trade price = $1100.00 each, yes each. Injectors on a 1KZ-TE a full set of 4 = $350.00 to $480.00, $87.50 each. Supply pumps are turning up with damage as low as 39,000 kms, common, my opinion, not Toyota Australia's opinion, 50,000 to 80,000 kms. The Denso HP3 pump is about $3,500.00 fitted depending who does the job, this thing is running at 20,000 psi and supplies the rail. Turbo : Well, I had a turbo on my D4D (150) go at less than 20,000 kms. In all fairness to Toyota, this probably happened because the vehicle was taken across the Plenty Highway and the Centre Way track at the beginning of summer. How do you figure you might say, well it's a common problem in the Hiace van fitted with the 1KD-FTV, enclosed engine bay, heat builds up especially around the turbo, and this leads to a failure with the solenoid (electronics) that controls the vane turbine which inturn leads to no power. Imagine that happening in the middle of nowhere mmm! Maybe Toyota have designed the 150 as a urban people mover 4wd or something (k)? These babies will set you back about $5,000.00 fitted, well not much change given from that anyway. In my opinion this is a design fault. As in the past on other Toyota engines (3L, 5L), the sleeves (bearings) on No.1 have been seizing on the crankshaft, to be fair, I only know of 2 cases on the D4Ds, which renders the block a right-off. All these repairs have been done under warranty (100,000 kms) to Toyota Australia's credit, beyond this who knows what will happen for the D4D, time will tell. With the 1KZ-TE, once you fit a AMC head or similar, they had a few head problems, you won't look back and a DP chip. Indirect injection fuel systems are much more suited to our fuels (poor quality), just change your fuel filter every 10,000 kms. I have owned both engines, go the 1KZ-TE, you will be so far in front of 1KD-FTV owners in my opinion.
HAVE many others had similar problems :
with the age of the vehicles that I'm looking at (around 200,000 ks ) this could be a concern
IF i was to go with the prado would it be safer to stick with the older KZJ motor
have always loved LC's but on the practical side was heading towards a prado because of better fuel mileage easier to drive around town ,would'nt be towing a large van and all the other practical crap you have to consider, when i came across this on a site talking about the difference in prado engines:
While the 1KD-FTV looks great on paper as Mick has pointed out, in real world terms it maybe the engine that destroys some of Toyota's reputation that took so long to build. Like so many other countries, Australia seems to find it hard to produce to the spec, quality fuel that the new generation of common rails diesel engines require for the consumer to get payback out of their investment. Where there has been gains in fuel consumption over the 1KZ-TE you will loose in expensive repair bills for a lot of people. Real world problems (reliability issues) for Toyota Australia and the consumer so far : To state the obvious, Injectors have been a big problem especially with the first generation solenoid type. Trade price = $1100.00 each, yes each. Injectors on a 1KZ-TE a full set of 4 = $350.00 to $480.00, $87.50 each. Supply pumps are turning up with damage as low as 39,000 kms, common, my opinion, not Toyota Australia's opinion, 50,000 to 80,000 kms. The Denso HP3 pump is about $3,500.00 fitted depending who does the job, this thing is running at 20,000 psi and supplies the rail. Turbo : Well, I had a turbo on my D4D (150) go at less than 20,000 kms. In all fairness to Toyota, this probably happened because the vehicle was taken across the Plenty Highway and the Centre Way track at the beginning of summer. How do you figure you might say, well it's a common problem in the Hiace van fitted with the 1KD-FTV, enclosed engine bay, heat builds up especially around the turbo, and this leads to a failure with the solenoid (electronics) that controls the vane turbine which inturn leads to no power. Imagine that happening in the middle of nowhere mmm! Maybe Toyota have designed the 150 as a urban people mover 4wd or something (k)? These babies will set you back about $5,000.00 fitted, well not much change given from that anyway. In my opinion this is a design fault. As in the past on other Toyota engines (3L, 5L), the sleeves (bearings) on No.1 have been seizing on the crankshaft, to be fair, I only know of 2 cases on the D4Ds, which renders the block a right-off. All these repairs have been done under warranty (100,000 kms) to Toyota Australia's credit, beyond this who knows what will happen for the D4D, time will tell. With the 1KZ-TE, once you fit a AMC head or similar, they had a few head problems, you won't look back and a DP chip. Indirect injection fuel systems are much more suited to our fuels (poor quality), just change your fuel filter every 10,000 kms. I have owned both engines, go the 1KZ-TE, you will be so far in front of 1KD-FTV owners in my opinion.
HAVE many others had similar problems :
with the age of the vehicles that I'm looking at (around 200,000 ks ) this could be a concern
IF i was to go with the prado would it be safer to stick with the older KZJ motor
