Your kidding me!

boobook

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Geez, Matt, that comment surprises me. I thought the changes headed for the CFA were to take power from the volunteers and give it to Dan's union mates. The ones who got massive pay rises and extra holidays. I have no idea how the CFA works on the ground but I thought it was well run apart form the unionised bits which now run everything and bully the volunteers.

I must admit I only see what's playing out in the media, but even The Age has been critical of the Union being given unfettered power by Dan at the CFA.
 
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John U

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I was referring to CFA volunteers working for weeks on end last summer. There's a fair chance that situation will be repeated more regularly in the future. It doesn't seem like a sustainable option for volunteers.
 

Triton14

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As an ex-SES Unit Manager, there's a number of problems in play here.
SES members are, by and large, untrained civvies who are looking for a bit of excitement in their lives. Quite often they have found life in the fire services too hard (physically and mentally) and SES presents an easier option to them. Thinking outside the box is not their forte.
They then go to specialist training to get the skills they need - but this training is generally given by more experienced SES volunteers who have been doing things "their way" for the last 300 years. So, the ability to think differently about problems is quashed from the get-go. I could tell you horror stories about SES training courses I have been to where I could prove that what was being taught was incorrect, but I was told "that's the way we've always done it, that's what you need to do to pass the assessment". So, faulty practices get built into the system and reinforced from generation to generation.
And finally we have the paid staff, who generally have little to no experience in emergency services, but who, because they are paid staff outrank all the volunteers. So a lack of experience and knowledge is rewarded with pay and management status. All these paid staff know is "do the job the way you were taught". So, the dodgy training gets enmeshed into the system and no one has the balls or knowledge to change things.

"That's the way we've always done things" is regularly quoted as one of the most dangerous phrases any has said.

I can't help but think it won't be too long until the SES needs to become a fully paid occupation. They seem to be called on all too frequently these days. Same may apply to the CFA.

Yes someone made a training module in 1970 & then the attitude in 2020 is if it aint broke then dany fix it :oops:

So much would have changed practically & technically with anything to do with rescue or the approach to fighting fires even these days.

Didnt the CFA get 52 million in donations that some could be spent on re training of the trainers!!


I noticed the fireies truck come into the picture, they should have got out the jaws of life & walked over & pretended to start cutting the roof of that beemer, I bet those yuppies would have opened the doors & jumped out quick smart :D

Do you recon that guy will now think about getting a front tow point added :rolleyes:
 

Chatty

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"That's the way we've always done things" is regularly quoted as one of the most dangerous phrases any has said.

I can't help but think it won't be too long until the SES needs to become a fully paid occupation. They seem to be called on all too frequently these days. Same may apply to the CFA.
The SES / CFS won't become fully paid any time soon as governments across the country can't afford to pay for it. What we are seeing though is SES units in particular having responsibilities taken off them and given to the fire services, which in a lot of places are now retained volunteers (volunteers who get paid a monthly financial retainer to make themselves available) or full time paid employees.
The fire services are across the country becoming the de-facto emergency response service and I think it won't be long until the SES basically doesn't exist.
The SES is being gutted and its duties downgraded to cutting up fallen trees and providing manpower for searches - which is another reason it's hard to get good volunteers for the SES now, as most of their duties are no longer 'sexy'.
 

Petunia

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Opinion : Nothing more than a training exercise, drooper fixes his hair on camera, another drooper texting on his phone, bmw could never have made it that far before getting wet, every swift water rescue appliance down to a backhoe on site, liberal use of the salt and pepper shakers.

Load of staged, rubbish.
 
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