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Winch Warranty's who to support and when to walk, WARN,Smittybilt,Runva,Ironman,Tmax etc

Discussion in 'General 4x4 Discussion' started by Swaggie, Jul 31, 2013.

  1. Swaggie

    Swaggie Moderator

    HI Luthy
    The Carbon you need to replace the motor seal every twelve months, he supplies the first one after that you buy them, the T-Max you do nothing..

    Your choice tho ;)
  2. GaryM

    GaryM Well-Known Member

    What ^^ he said. Honestly I havent used either, I just got a chance to move some TMAXes cheap and they have decent reputation and are on the buy from list here. I bought a Runva probably 2 years ago (again, because of this thread) but if I was buying now, Id just keep 2 of these instead of one (going on my sons rig).
  3. discomatt

    discomatt Well-Known Member

    My Runva is now installed, heaps faster than the Aldi winch ever was but yet to test it under load. Install went well and put the solenoid box under the bonnet so that was a bit of extra work. After it was all installed I gave it a test and found the blue trigger wire in the solenoid box had a dodgy crimp connection so only the wireless remote worked not the hardwired controller. An easy fix but poor quality control because it was obviously not tested or checked in production. The gear box engage / disengage lever works extremely well, 100% better than the previous winch.
    I am still considering replacing the supplied D shackle connecting block ( not sure what they are called ) with a traditional hook, not sure I like the idea of a extra shackle...
    Looking forward to using rope not wire!!
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  4. GaryM

    GaryM Well-Known Member

    I had thought you were referring to the snatch block, but closer reading suggests they are using like the Factor 55 connectors? Is that what you mean? Im pretty sure they hijacked a lifting term and call them a thimble, same name as the metal loop in the end of a rope to put the pins through.
  5. bricat

    bricat Member

    So the 4x4 show is on this weekend and I'm buying a winch. So the Runva is the pick? I'll get the 12000 lb one for my 80 series. I have an old xd9000/9500 lb one I took off the 80 series which was full of water when I first got it(secondhand). Should do the Prado now it's sealed. I don't mind paying more dollars as long as you get increased quality with it.
    PS. Great job and thanks
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  6. boobook

    boobook Well-Known Member

    Brian, get the new 13XP from Runva. Same IP67 as the 11XP. It just came out and only $20 more.
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  7. Ian Christensen

    Ian Christensen New Member

    I rang to get weights on the 11xp a month or so ago, the lady said the winch/rope and electrics weighs in at 35kgs, that neally 10kgs heavier than the Carbons. Does this sound correct? 10 kgs on a smaller duel cab, IFS ute is a lot.
  8. boobook

    boobook Well-Known Member

    If that's the lady I have spoken to at Runva she is hopeless.......

    The 11Xp weighs 31.4KG ( 33.4 inc packaging ) according to the above website.
    This website says the Carbons is 23.4kg. I find that very hard to believe. Almost every 11 - 12000 lb winch is 29 to 32kg.
    Also this website says 31Kg. More probable.
  9. mac_man_luke

    mac_man_luke Well-Known Member

    Iv got an 11XP and id be surprised if its more than 30kgs, its really not that heavy
  10. Ian Christensen

    Ian Christensen New Member

    Yes up to 10kgs weight saving is hard to believe, Carbon confirmed the 31 kg is the shipping weight with the snatch block etc included and that 25kg is for the winch/control box and rope . That's why I rang Runva to see if I could get the same information from them. I am currently fitting out a Dmax to tour and if we travelling alone (single vehicle) a winch would allow us to maybe go places we normally wouldn't alone. Weight is a big factor for me with this decision, hence all the questions.
    Cheers Ian
  11. Ian Christensen

    Ian Christensen New Member

    That would be awesome, Thanks
  12. Spooner

    Spooner Well-Known Member

    This is Interesting Rope Comparo
    I don't care either way really what is the best in Internet Advertisng
    But I have flogged my TJM 9500 rope winch a lot in the last year and a half since i had it fitted.
    True that I don't like the remote control as it has 1-3 seconds lag ( non response ) time running in or out and could never trust using it as I don't like the feel of button pushing vs direct action , but the plug in hand held unit works AOK and is always my preferred option even though I have to hold it in my hand through the window LOL.
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  13. Hoyks

    Hoyks Active Member

    I had my Carbon Winch arrive today. It looks well made and the 12K model I got has a breather hose fitted that isn't mentioned in the spec sheets.
    The weight, I don't have any scales handy, but the 25kg would be about right.
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  14. Hoyks

    Hoyks Active Member

    I've been meaning to get a winch for a while now, and finally got one on Friday. [​IMG]

    I have a Tuff-Pull (Tirfor style) cable winch, but it is too much like hard work. Most times I have used it I only needed to pull forward about 1m to get out of trouble, but the whole rolling out the full 20m of cable, rigging straps and shackles, running cable through the winch, taking up the tension, pulling 1m, running cable back out of the winch and rolling it back up again and stowing everything away gets a bit tiresome. It does improve your driving though, anything to avoid going through that rigmarole[​IMG] .

    I bought a 12K Carbon Winch, was tossing up between a 11XP Runva Premium, but the week before I planning on actually buying it the price went up $250[​IMG] . Carbon had similar specs, similar warranty, was $80 cheaper and I found a place with them with a promo $250 light bar as a free gift[​IMG] .

    Fitting it was a bit of a learning curve as I haven't done a winch before, I'm also away from home so don't have access to most of my tools and stuff, which is a bit of a pain. In the end all I needed was a hammer, sidecutters (to trim up all my zip ties) and 4 or 5 spanners/sockets.

    I was all tooled up to pull the bull bar, but found that pulling the grill out gave enough room to drop the winch in from the top. 5 plastic plugs and 2 clips and it was out. So much easier.

    So, after putting it in, pulling it out, reinstalling, etc. I tried wiring it up, but access to the terminals was a pain... so I pulled it out again. It was so much easier to connect all the cables with it on the bench... unfortunately I don't have a bench where I am at the moment, so was working on a sheet of cardboard on the floor. The gearbox got rotated so that the clutch was accessible from the access holes in the bull bar and while I was in there I chucked in some extra grease.

    The motor housing with all the cables attached and ziptied/bundled together so they don't rub then dropped into the gap and was bolted down. The cables had enough length to reach the battery, although I do want to add a isolator switch in the near future.

    The control box bracket didn't put it in the location that I would have liked and fowled the bull bar if mounted on the front and mounted on the top you can't actually connect the control cable due to the grill mount bracket. It does have a wireless remote which I will use until I get around to rejigging everything. If the wireless remote dies at an inconvenient time, 5 plastic plugs and 2 x 10mm bolts and I can connect the control cable.

    The fairlead is a good design, it is reverseable and offset, so if your cable slot doesn't align with the winch you can flip the fairlead and use the alternate bolt holes to make it line up.
    All up it took me about 4 hrs (including lunch), but next time I come to service the winch it will be a lot quicker. To take it out again is quite simple; 10 bolts and 5 plastic plugs. Tomorrow I will take the ute out and wind the cable on under tension so its ready to be used in anger
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2017
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  15. Ian Christensen

    Ian Christensen New Member

    Thanks for that.
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2017
  16. Hugh Jarse

    Hugh Jarse Member

    What a fantastic read............I have been out and about and found out that only one winch sold in Australia at present offers an IP68 warranty, that winch is a VRS .I have researched the difference between IP67 and IP68 and it is significant relating to the water ingress issue.
    Just a heads up in relation to the excellent work done by Swaggie.;)
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  17. shaun0

    shaun0 Member

    Did you ask about Smittybilt as they are IP68 no idea about warranty though
  18. Hugh Jarse

    Hugh Jarse Member

    OOps.....i was wrong and you are correct Sir.....The new X20 and the comp version Smittybilt are IP 68.....
  19. GaryM

    GaryM Well-Known Member

    Id like to see the certification report, and by that i mean not just the claim.
  20. Swaggie

    Swaggie Moderator

    As stated previously they wouldn't reply to my emails to confirm there water ingress policy...
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