Sorry Swaggie. I have just read the warranty on the Ironman Winches that was supplied and it really does not specify what water ingress under normal use mean. Is "normal use" use during rain, use dry weather and it gets condensation. What do they mean about water ingress. Is that moisture? I also note that they do not cover winch if it is operated underwater, ie. river. I still reckon it is ambigious. I recieved an email from Tigerz11 as well as visiting their warehouse to be shown how they seal their winches. They fellow told me "The winches are extremely water resistant You can by all means do river crossings with this winch, Once you have returned home after doing river crossings feed the rope out with the wireless remote once or twice, We recommend the winches are used once or twice a month" Sounds same as Ironman to me???