Why would anyone want to fit an ARB air locker?

markcc

New Member
i have a detroit auto locker in the rear. no maintanance, no special oils, it just works. it does take a bit of getting used to for suburban driving, but after that all good

I totally agree jacnden. Had a Detroit in the back of a Troopy years ago. As you say there's a few little quirks with suburban driving, but mine was a few series ago.
If they were available for my vehicle when I purchased my air locker, Detroit would have been the winner.
Cheers
Mark
 

Patriot

Administrator
So how has ARB been going over the last 6 months? Has their been any improvement in their customer service?
 

Mudbludger

New Member
Greetings all, I am in need of some seals for a newly installed set of air lockers, have been searching the interwebs and nothing coming up, even on fleabay.

Vehicle is 93 model 80 series with the RD142 rear and RD132 front.

First use of rear locker resulted in oil leaking out of solenoid, and front not working at all. both passed a leakdown test of 100psi for 30min. Front is getting air to fitting on diff center, so hopefully its just a blocked orifice somewhere in seal assembly or copper line.

I wish now that i had bothered to check that the front was actuating by rotating the splines.:mad:

Both diffs were rebuilt at same time with 100flb carrier bearing preload and am positive that I installed the air seals (x-ring) correctly, that was one thing that I was very careful about. Surface finish of the sealing faces for the o-rings looked satisfactory and did not need sanding IMO

Disclosure, the centers did sit in their boxes for a year before installation as i am a slack ******* who was saving his coin for longfields, flexi coils etc before taking vehicle off the road.

I figure its better to have new seals and not need them, than to need them and.........

Thanks in advance, a phone number or link would be greatly appreciated, great site btw.
 

nathan253

New Member
I would go a HARROP/EATON E-LOCKER over an air locker everyday of the week for the reason mentioned above, im loving the E-LOCKER in the rear of the Ranger, works so smooth and fast flicks in and out before you know it.
Also they have a 4 pinion set up so they are super strong.
 
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Mudbludger

New Member
mate

What brand are they??

Go back to them and ask for seals


Apologies red, after re-reading my post i noticed that i did not say they were genuine arb air lockers.

They were bought from a 4x4 shop that was closing down for a great price, so returning to them for seals was not an option.

Success however, got them both working :D Somehow the front copper line had slipped out of its o-ring in the fitting where it exits the case, probably happened when i first tried to remove the leak down testing rig with one spanner and both fittings turned..... the copper line originally had to be held up into the fitting to have the small chubby o-ring and fitting installed due to a small amount of spring in the copper, so when the fitting was backed off maybe it sprung back into the case then?? Who knows, its working now.

The rear is no longer leaking after a strip down and new seals which were sourced from another 4x4 shop in town for a small price, the only thing i did differently this time was to quickly run some sandpaper over the faces (still dont think it needed it) and use grease to slip the seals on instead of diff oil.

With a 3" flexi coil lift kit from suspension stuff (shameless plug there), aired down muddies and these lockers the thing just walks up gnarly tracks now that had me spinning before, couldnt be happier :)

Am buying another 80 and will try a lockrite in the back and maybe a eaton e-locker in the front to see how they go, they both sound simpler.
 

Monika

New Member
Hi everyone.
About ARB’s customer service, I'm having some dramas with them at the moment and would love to have your input :) The Air Lockers, front and rear where fitted by ARB 4 years ago, but each time I needed to use the Air Lockers they wouldn't work. The problem was every time the Air Compressor and after several repairs to it, approximately ones each year, ARB now comes up that it is caused by poor maintenance, and dust in the Air filter of the compressor :confused:
My questions are:
a) is it possible for dust to get in the air filter of the air compressor, which is mounted in the motor compartment of the Landcruiser Troopy HZJ75, without having used it?

b) Can blocked differential breather hoses cause oil to get into the Air compressor, and if not does anybody know how the oil could have gotten into the Air compressor? (There was oil coming out of the solenoid or thereabout and running along it, from driving, towards the air filter.)

This is the first and last time I bought ARB Air Lockers, as there are too many things that can go wrong and unfortunately, as this thread has shown ARB doesn’t have a very good reputation for after sales service. I have to admit though that after some persuasion, they agreed to install a new Air compressor free of charge, but I lost all confidence in their mechanics and doubt that it will fix the problem :(
 
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Hi, I would be surprised if dust would block the air filter of the air compressor every year 4 years in a row. There is so much air movement around a engine bay. Is the rest of the engine bay covered in dust? What is your air filter like? You say that there is oil in the air compressor, this can only be caused by the o-ring unit leaking within the air locker in the diff and is most likely a fault with the air locker or poor installation. Remember they are designed for use and advertised as being suitable for use in extreme 4wd conditions and should be able to handle these conditions. Most mechanics are notorious for not taking responsibility for poor workmanship and bull shitting about causes for problems. Trust me on that one, I have a lifetime of exposure to them, father, brother and two cousins were/are mechanics so I know the industry well.

ARB monitor this site and are keen to improve their bad reputation for product and service. I recommend consistency and persistence. Writing your responses on this site gets action from them.

I'd get the shop that installed them to demonstrate the units working while the vehicle is on the hoist and support while the wheels are off the ramps (so the wheels can be turned ) and when the are switched on leave them on for at least 5 minutes. Rotate the wheels by hand and check the differential air breathers with caps removed, and if there is any air escaping then the siff locker seals are leaking and most probably caused by a poor installation job.

Hope this helps.
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
I have had front ARB air lockers. which were fitted along with a compressor that sits upright in front passenger side of engine bay. All were fitted 3 years and 3 months ago.
I have used the lockers about ten times and the compressor lots of times for airing up, checking tires on caravan , trailers, or anything else, including other peoples stuff.
On way home from O'Tooles, aired up two trucks (8 tyres) one trailer ( 2 tyres) without stopping although it got hot.
Never had a problem.
Compressor is an CK MA12.
Not sure if it has helped me, but because the compressor points upwards and the valve is open to dust, water, whatever. I fitted a rubber stopper of a chair leg to keep it sealed and protected so as to not get anything into it.
Cheers.
 

Monika

New Member
Thanks queenslandchris for your very informative reply :) I'm sure it will help to argue this matter as you got it right on the spot. The mechanics don't want to take the responsibility of having done a shotty installation and now are trying to talk their way out of it by putting the blame on the customer :(

The vehicle is very well maintained, as I can not afford to buy another one anytime soon, and also I need it to work when I go bush. There is not much dust in the engine bay. I haven’t checked the air-filter because I need a spanner to undo the clamp and it started to rain, but from memory there isn’t much dust there either as the air goes via the snorkel which has a filter as well.

I remember them having changed some seals at one stage in the air lockers, so possibly that wasn’t done properly?

You are correct, these Air Lockers are designed to work in harsh conditions, so a bit of dust shouldn’t cause the compressor to pack up and thus make the Lockers useless :(

Your right again with being persistent and consistent and I hope it will help all the other 4WD lovers out there to keep writing about their experiences with Air Lockers and the service they've received or lack of it.

I will print out your good advice about the demonstration, so I don’t forget half of it and take it with me when they change the Air Compressor ;)

Cheers, Monika :)
 

jack48

Active Member
I have front and rear ARB Air Lockers in a GU Patrol, they have been in for 3 years and the rig is used as a weekend warrior and our tourer. It has a long list of accessories and is well maintained.
Last July it went back to ARB Kilsyth (head office) for rear locker not working. the phone quote for repair was approx $5 to $600. left the rig with them after booking it in and was very pleased when they handed me the invoice, $135, the rest were parts under warranty.
Today I called in at ARB Kilsyth again as my under bonnet compressor had stopped working on a run a few weeks ago so no lockers. Well they asked me to remove the unit and they would check it out. an hour later I handed it to them and they immediately started working on it. 1.5 hours later he said it was right to go. To my surprise there was no charge invoice showed parts used and labour and the nice words Customer Goodwill.

Well done ARB Kilsyth, with this type of service why would you buy anything elsewhere, the first company to stand by their product 100% THANKS
 

cloughcarib

Well-Known Member
I have front and rear ARB Air Lockers in a GU Patrol, they have been in for 3 years and the rig is used as a weekend warrior and our tourer. It has a long list of accessories and is well maintained.
Last July it went back to ARB Kilsyth (head office) for rear locker not working. the phone quote for repair was approx $5 to $600. left the rig with them after booking it in and was very pleased when they handed me the invoice, $135, the rest were parts under warranty.
Today I called in at ARB Kilsyth again as my under bonnet compressor had stopped working on a run a few weeks ago so no lockers. Well they asked me to remove the unit and they would check it out. an hour later I handed it to them and they immediately started working on it. 1.5 hours later he said it was right to go. To my surprise there was no charge invoice showed parts used and labour and the nice words Customer Goodwill.

Well done ARB Kilsyth, with this type of service why would you buy anything elsewhere, the first company to stand by their product 100% THANKS

I would be happy with the 9.5hr drive from syd to get that kind of service.
 

Monika

New Member
Hi rogerazz,
I'm so glad to hear some positive comments too, as I may have to live with these Air Lockers for the rest of the vehicles life :(

I guess you got a different vehicle to mine, as there is no room on the passenger side in my Troopy, due to the twin batteries. Possibly having a bigger Air compressor is better too, but I’ve already got an air compressor for the air cushion suspension and therefore I went with the smaller unit that is specially designed by ARB for their air lockers.

You talk about the compressor being mounted ‘upright’ and a valve open to dust that you covered with a plastic chair stopper, good idea ;)
Do you have a filter on your Air compressor, and if yes where is it and how often do you clean it? What type of diff breather hoses do you have and are the ends extended into to engine bay with filters on the ends?

Thanks again in advance for your effort and I’mlooking forward to your post :)

Cheers, Monika :)
 

Monika

New Member
Hi jack48,
you are definitely very lucky to have such a good customer service from your ARB Kylsinth people.
Unfortunately I cannot share such good reports about my experience with our local mob and the National Warranty Manager :( in regards to their after sales customer service ones the items are past their written warranty :( Ooops, to be correct, they did repair the Air compressor ones after their 2 year warranty was over, but that took some persuasion and talking too.
At least since I wrote my post last night I already got a PM from ARB's Online Communications Specialist, who was very friendly and offered to assist as good as he can.
Cheers, Monika :)
 

jack48

Active Member
ARB Kilsyth is the Head Office and manufacturing plant. I never went in jumping up and down and being demanding.
I got a rough quote and let them do their job expecting to be charged.

We do very hard runs and also a lot of touring in the rig, Canning, Cape York, Ularu, Highway trips Qld etc, even the Gunbarrel Hwy, which we thought was tougher than the CSR.

Tonkatrol is usually parked up till a trip comes up, and I am off to the High Country for a couple of days as a shakedown for our Tassie trip from 1/1/15 for 17 days doing all the 4x4 tracks down there. lucky thing because I changed the tyres and used the compressor to blow up the MTs and it stopped working. This is why I like a short trip before a major run, sort out the problems before you go.
 
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