Who to vote for?

mikehzz

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Proper politicians should have policies they believe in and then convince the electorate that it's the right thing to do instead of basing policy on popularity polling that may win them the election. It's like asking kids if they want lollies or vegetables for dinner. For this reason I respect some of the minor parties that have no hope of winning, at least they're pushing a barrow they believe in. The population actually has to be convinced that the way the system is set up will not work in the long run because the earth can't take it and allow us to survive. The earth will survive and regenerate but we won't be along for the ride. The time frames aren't urgent enough to force the issue, life is still too good, it's hard to pull a pig's snout out of the trough.
 

hiluxxury

Member
Proper politicians should have policies they believe in and then convince the electorate that it's the right thing to do instead of basing policy on popularity polling that may win them the election. It's like asking kids if they want lollies or vegetables for dinner. For this reason I respect some of the minor parties that have no hope of winning, at least they're pushing a barrow they believe in. The population actually has to be convinced that the way the system is set up will not work in the long run because the earth can't take it and allow us to survive. The earth will survive and regenerate but we won't be along for the ride. The time frames aren't urgent enough to force the issue, life is still too good, it's hard to pull a pig's snout out of the trough.
Unless you are in a bushfire, flood, coastal zone, a farmer... ... ... yeah climate change might feel like a long way off.
 

LongRoad2Go

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Does anyone really believe that real action on climate change wont negatively affect the economy and our rich western lifesyles?
Simple - stop dumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. Thats going to cost jobs, incomes and 'the economy' and nobody wants to pay those costs.
I see it as a short term sting, but a medium term boom for the economy. Like the Industrial Revolution damaged some trades, but created hundreds more opportunities and generally better living standards. We’re now at that stage of change-over, hence the push to get kids into STEM disciplines. I’m in the Engineering/Technology fields and see the change as an exciting opportunity for current and future generations.
 

peterfermtech

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Whilst most will probably treat this with derision from what I can see the only party that has a proper sustainable plain for climate change is the liberal party.
They have a major push for clean hydrogen. A year ago the greens were arguing against it.
They just announced plans for proper recycling initiatives for us here rather than just shipping it off overseas. We have to recycle all those 1 year old i-phones somewhere.

Australia has been the kicking board out of Brussels for the EU but the current situation with Russia just highlights their hypocrisy.

The Greens and Labour believe climate change can be solved by subsidising Solar Panels, Electric Cars and Batteries.
 

cam04

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Unless you are in a bushfire, flood, coastal zone, a farmer... ... ... yeah climate change might feel like a long way off.
Or your wife is a director of earth sciences and has been mapping it for 15+ years. Anyone who thinks climate change isn’t real needs to excuse themselves from society. Look at any glacier over time.
 

cam04

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More comedy.

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Mick_Marsh

Active Member
Climate change should be the biggest issue that the politicians should be focused on, not all this inflation BS and who will spend the most and deliver the most, it will all be irrelevant in 50 years if global warming heads past 1.5 - 2 degrees.
As for those who think the inflation is caused by scomo and associated scum bags , wake up and have a look at whats happening around the world, massive inflation was on the cards 2 years ago when all the covid stuff started and is being made worse now by China and Russia, more than likely part of a long term plan but please do not blame Australian politicians and policy.
I wonder how much inflation is caused by local issues within Australia and how much is caused by International issues.
For example, outside Australia, grain is expensive but the farmers don't seem to be getting paid more for their grain.
 

boobook

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I wonder how much inflation is caused by local issues within Australia and how much is caused by International issues.
For example, outside Australia, grain is expensive but the farmers don't seem to be getting paid more for their grain.

One big local inflationary measure is the Australian Exchange rate. The AUD has dropped from about 79c to about 69c over the last year. That means everything we import is 12% more expensive even though they may not have gone up in Chinese Yuan or USD. Petrol, everything made in China, timber, materials cars etc.
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
One big local inflationary measure is the Australian Exchange rate. The AUD has dropped from about 79c to about 69c over the last year. That means everything we import is 12% more expensive even though they may not have gone up in Chinese Yuan or USD. Petrol, everything made in China, timber, materials cars etc.
Have a read of the article.
 

LongRoad2Go

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I wonder how much inflation is caused by local issues within Australia and how much is caused by International issues.
For example, outside Australia, grain is expensive but the farmers don't seem to be getting paid more for their grain.
Well, with Ukraine and Russia out of the grain market, Aussie grain growers are in boom times.

In regards to payments to farmers - been around for a century and more, it's called the stinking Agents. The Agents get the profits.
 

peterfermtech

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And in countries like Russia it is the oligarchs. Maybe some of them think that we are ripe for the picking. Just need to get some friends in high places.
 

mikehzz

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The actual reality of economics is global and has very little to do with what either of our piddley little political parties do. Is inflation at a 40 year high in the US because of our election? A butterfly flaps its wings in the Ukraine and we get a gust of wind in Australia. We're in for a tough ride no matter who wins the election, and one side will blame the other for it. What a stupid game.
 

hiluxxury

Member
The actual reality of economics is global and has very little to do with what either of our piddley little political parties do. Is inflation at a 40 year high in the US because of our election? A butterfly flaps its wings in the Ukraine and we get a gust of wind in Australia. We're in for a tough ride no matter who wins the election, and one side will blame the other for it. What a stupid game.
Agreed. There are policy settings however that can help smooth the ride but we only end up paying for it later. We are still paying for the GFC and our grandchildren will be paying for our response to covid.
 

peterfermtech

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However the coalition commissioned a report in 2018 which was released in 2019 and have done something about it because they have actually listened to the chief scientist just as they listened to chief medical officer and ATAGI regarding covid and the vaccines.
Apparently Labor would have ignored that advice because they are blaming the government for getting the rollout wrong.
 

peterfermtech

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While the Greens and Labor have been banging on about subsidies for rooftop solar panels.

"The Australian Government supports clean energy technology, including hydrogen, from research and
development through to commercialisation through the Australian Research Council, the CSIRO, the
Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA), the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and the
Northern Australia Infrastructure Fund. Through these investments, we are building the pipeline of
technologies needed to meet our Paris target and achieve emissions reductions beyond 2030.
Since 2015, the Australian Government has committed over $146 million to hydrogen projects along the
supply chain."

 

Hoyks

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