What freedoms to expect post fully vaccinated?

Triton14

Well-Known Member
WelI I wouldn't want to be living in WA with a premier that resides in LA LA Land :rolleyes:

In saying that I do have an uneasy feeling that more state politicians will take this sort of stance once we reach the golden number.

Covid is here to stay, like the flu so we just have to get all those who want to be vaccinated done & open up in my opinion.

At some point we need to be assured of what the future & freedom looks like because we certainly cant keep going like this!

https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/nsw-in-full-lockdown-as-defence-help-grows-c-3684938
 

Kippie

Well-Known Member
Agree with that. There'll be no post Covid. Instead we'll have to live with Covid. Vaccination is the key to survival and I expect to have an annual shot. Even so, you can still get it, but your survival chances are better.
We will have a vaccine passport of some description which entitles you to travel, go into public venues/gatherings etc.
Big brother will be closely monitoring you.
 

Triton14

Well-Known Member
Agree with that. There'll be no post Covid. Instead we'll have to live with Covid. Vaccination is the key to survival and I expect to have an annual shot. Even so, you can still get it, but your survival chances are better.
We will have a vaccine passport of some description which entitles you to travel, go into public venues/gatherings etc.
Big brother will be closely monitoring you.
I think we need to look at England as the model.
I have to admire Boris's fortitude in his response that at some point life need to go back to normal.

England is still getting near 27,000 cases a day but with 76% of the adult populated the death rate is very low.

Of course 1 death is to many but the affect lockdowns have on your finances & mental health Im sure the death rate by suicide is surpassing the covid death rate here but no one is talking about that!
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
Once you have your jab numbers up the number of cases is irrelevant, you just need to monitor hospitalisation numbers
A friend who returned to live in England a month ago said he is out socialising with active cases now and it is ‘normal’
 

Triton14

Well-Known Member
Once you have your jab numbers up the number of cases is irrelevant, you just need to monitor hospitalisation numbers
A friend who returned to live in England a month ago said he is out socialising with active cases now and it is ‘normal’
As of 10th August, UK admitted cases 880 a day, 5470 in a week,
Thats out of a population of 70 million.

I think we would have to expect some similar figure per capita.
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
Once you have your jab numbers up the number of cases is irrelevant, you just need to monitor hospitalisation numbers
A friend who returned to live in England a month ago said he is out socialising with active cases now and it is ‘normal’
I agree, the only thing they'll want to know is if the hospitals will be able to handle the load and that is governed by the vaccine roll out. It's a given we'll be living with it. WA has its own set of circumstances, an extremely large area with health services stretched out and minimal. Their lock downs have saved our economy by keeping the iron ore flowing while our main competitor Brazil has been decimated due to anti lock down policies. The bullshit soft lock downs in NSW are a death by a thousand cuts that will drag on for months. Now it's out around Walgett where there's barely an available hospital to treat anyone and a largely unvaccinated population.
 

Triton14

Well-Known Member
I certainly agree Glady's is part of this big screw up of a situation.
From day one if they knew the origin source the Limo driver had Delta it should have been an instant lockdown for all of Sydney.

Had that been the case the lockdown would have ended weeks ago imo.

The vaccine roll out, well thats another debate but it still added to where we are as a state & nation.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Booster shots every 6 months, evidence coming out of Israel has indicated immunity decreases substantially after 5 months.
England has an immunity above 90% of the entire population due to cases as well as vaccination.
things will change for a short period but like many countries restrictions will be re introduced due to escalating infections and hospitalisation once things are eased
 

a1bert

Active Member
Had a thought while watching Morrison stating that he could not indemnify businesses who banned non vaccinators
Can you sue a non vaccinator if you catch covid from them
Seems plausible as they have made a judgemental decision that knowingly affects others!
 

Swaggie

Moderator
Had a thought while watching Morrison stating that he could not indemnify businesses who banned non vaccinators
Can you sue a non vaccinator if you catch covid from them
Seems plausible as they have made a judgemental decision that knowingly affects others!

Can i sue someone that gives me the flu and puts me in hospital for a week that wouldnt stay at home and infects the workforce family and friends….
I somehow doubt it….
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
Booster shots every 6 months, evidence coming out of Israel has indicated immunity decreases substantially after 5 months.
England has an immunity above 90% of the entire population due to cases as well as vaccination.
things will change for a short period but like many countries restrictions will be re introduced due to escalating infections and hospitalisation once things are eased

not sure why Matt but you seem fixated on all the minor negative aspects whilst completely ignoring the massive positive ones whilst not being able to offer up an alternate strategy in the process
. Thousands of people’s lives are being saved, did you read that article I posted yesterday where the nurse was talking about making decisions who they would try and save and who they let die as they had no other choice and the daily ritual of zipping up body bags?……..you talk about the effects of lockdown on mental health but I can see these medical staff will be scarred for life too
 

peterfermtech

Well-Known Member
I certainly agree Glady's is part of this big screw up of a situation.
From day one if they knew the origin source the Limo driver had Delta it should have been an instant lockdown for all of Sydney.

Had that been the case the lockdown would have ended weeks ago imo.

The vaccine roll out, well thats another debate but it still added to where we are as a state & nation.
I'm not convinced that Victoria with Dan's "Gold standard lockdowns" are working that well either. I have a horrible feeling that this lockdown "6" is not going to end any time soon. This outbreak which is really part of the previous one just doesn't seem to be working. I think this Delta strain is just way to infectious to control with this level of lockdown. If you look at a country like Vietnam which has had a great record of control of the virus and an authoritarian government, they have gone from less than 3000 cases at start of May to 20,000 cases at start of July to almost 300,000 cases today.
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
I see high vaccination rates around 80% plus is a no brainer and what governments are after. to keep our hospitals relatively free.
I see lock downs will be kept to a minimum or less likely having lock downs, so as to get our economy running again.
I see vaccination passports as a means to keeping levels of covid down.
Then the whole situation will be monitored for a couple of years and once things have settled down it's back to normal with yearly shots, boosters, etc. etc.
 

Kippie

Well-Known Member
Had a thought while watching Morrison stating that he could not indemnify businesses who banned non vaccinators
Can you sue a non vaccinator if you catch covid from them
Seems plausible as they have made a judgemental decision that knowingly affects others!
If the person knows that he/she has Covid and breaches a health order to isolate and infects you and you suffer significant damages directly from that infection, then I believe you'd have a chance to mount a civil case. However, if that person is unable to pay your claim, then you'd end up with all the cost and no gain.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
This lock down will never end, for a simple reason. Those who are vaxxed can and will catch and spread the virus while they have no clue they even have it.
that is the reason there are so many cases they can’t link, nothing to do with it h protests 3 weeks ago as some claim.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Sorry but if people think that booster shot ts every 6 months for years if not the rest of your life of an experimental vaccine with no long term testing is a minor thing I must be as stupid as what some here think but I don’t think so….
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
I reckon best case scenario is being vaccinated and then catching covid and not suffering as much. Meanwhile, the covid infection would be better than any vaccine in providing longer immunity.
 
Top