What Cheeses Me Off!!!!

[GaryM]

I would argue that is the problem, the world is full of perpetual victims and whingers. If the parents did their jobs and raised their sons and daughters, taught them right from wrong, and taught them about respect, for themselves, their peers and people of authority, then this wouldn’t be an issue.

Awesome, so youre happy to blame kids for failed parents. What might happen in a perfect world, is not what a society and government can rely on.

Think about it. What you just said in relation to dealing with someone that will be as many are, 'stuck' in domestic violence, because their parents failed to raise them properly. And be aware you might think its her choice, but its not her kids choice, as she was a kid now when you failed to regocnise the flaw in your logic.

But you know, keep letting kids deal with the consequences of failed parenting. Oh, and Im not sure how you think society is meant to make up for failed parents, a concept that you raised, if not like this... being very wary of how you deal with their vulnerable inexperienced minds. Especially the role of teachers, and their superior, the principal.

 

[rogerazz]

Maybe they should allow car Licences, alcohol consumption, parents compliance, authority compliance to kids at fourteen years of age.
Also the kids can then make up their own minds about what they want, what they don't want, demand respect regardless and expect all adults especially their parents to comply and follow directions.
Oh hec! Sorry, they do that now .
Oh I forgot. And have babies.

 

[RDM]

Thats because he cant, but youre confused. The issue was never if the girls want or like the attention, but that they were blamed for boys inability to resist and control their focus. They are being told their body needs to be controlled/covered to some unAustralian standard, almost like its a weapon. And SOME boys by implication are possibly hearing that inability is the girls fault. Its a tad ...ye olde Arab.

Id be astounded if Roger genuinely needed to ask his granddaughter, why girls dress like that. Eve did it to Adam, and/or Ms Ugg to poor old Zog.

Are you kidding me? The whole point of wearing a short skirt and low cut top ect, to make the boy FOCUS on them and not whatever else they are meant to be focused on. If boys were coming to school in tank tops and the Principal told them to stop because it was against the school rules and distracting the girls would you be as outraged as you are now? Somehow I suspect not.

She hasn't blamed them for the boys inability to control their focus what she has essentially asked them is to stop trying to gain their focus which is a perfectly reasonable request, perhaps a little clumsily but if you stop looking or something to be outraged about the message is crystal clear.

That said, influencing the focus of someone of the opposite sex (and these days same sex) is human nature, it has been going on for centuries and will continue to go on for centuries regardless of the faux outrage generated. Its a perfectly normal thing to do, be it by wearing a low cut top and short skirt, wearing a tank top or by what ever other means, it needs to be limited to the right setting though and that is not the school yard. I don't think there is any reasonable person in this country that would interpret it is an invitation for physical assault of any kind though and what the principal said does not imply that in any way shape of form regardless of the leaps you make. What she has allegedly said is akin to "School is not the place to be vying for boys attention" and she is 100% right.

Unfortunately in this day and age of perpetual victims and the perpetually outraged SJW if you are in a position where you need to/are responsible for addressing an issue with someone they are going to drag your name through the mud as is the case here.

 

[Albynsw]

You forgot one important group, children. Respect for children, who are let's face it, the most vulnerable group in society.

Respect for children from people in authority isn't really a difficult concept to grasp. Or it shouldn't be but appears to be coming up against strong opposition on this forum. Blind obedience seems to be winning the day.

If an authority figure acts in a disrespectful way to a child then that child SHOULD complain to their parents. How anyone would even attempt to argue that point I find almost beyond my comprehension.

You can't teach a child to respect themselves and at the same time have blind respect for authority. You can't have both. I'll say again, respect is a two way street. And this should be blindingly obvious but I'll state it anyway, respect can be both earned and then lost. It ain't permanent.

You are describing children who complain as victims and whingers when in fact what they are displaying is respect for themselves, the very thing you say they should be taught.

And if you think ALL school principals are perfect and must be obeyed at all times with nil regard to either their words or actions then I'm lost for words. That tells me you think my father should not have complained to his parents when beaten by teachers for the crime of being left-handed.

He did complain btw...and copped a beating for doing so, his parents said he should show some respect for the teachers.

I give up.

Mate I think you are getting it all out of proportion
This is not about disrespecting children and no one has even said that
This is about students disrespecting the rules of the school and then playing the system to make out they are the victims in all of this.

I am betting these kids are not wallflowers and know exactly what they are doing and are having a chuckle about how clever they were outsmarting the teacher. I know plenty of these kids
What do you think the message they got out of all of this and do you think they have modified their behaviour or still dressing the same?

Can I ask also do you think this new system is producing better members of society? I think the evidence is there that it isn’t working

 

[GaryM]

Are you kidding me? The whole point of wearing a short skirt and low cut top ect, to make the boy FOCUS on them and not whatever else they are meant to be focused on. If boys were coming to school in tank tops and the Principal told them to stop because it was against the school rules and distracting the girls would you be as outraged as you are now? Somehow I suspect not.

She hasn't blamed them for the boys inability to control their focus what she has essentially asked them is to stop trying to gain their focus which is a perfectly reasonable request, perhaps a little clumsily but if you stop looking or something to be outraged about the message is crystal clear.

That said, influencing the focus of someone of the opposite sex (and these days same sex) is human nature, it has been going on for centuries and will continue to go on for centuries regardless of the faux outrage generated. Its a perfectly normal thing to do, be it by wearing a low cut top and short skirt, wearing a tank top or by what ever other means, it needs to be limited to the right setting though and that is not the school yard. I don't think there is any reasonable person in this country that would interpret it is an invitation for physical assault of any kind though and what the principal said does not imply that in any way shape of form regardless of the leaps you make. What she has allegedly said is akin to "School is not the place to be vying for boys attention" and she is 100% right.

Unfortunately in this day and age of perpetual victims and the perpetually outraged SJW if you are in a position where you need to/are responsible for addressing an issue with someone they are going to drag your name through the mud as is the case here.

At what point do you think I dont understand why a girl might wear a short skirt?

It changes nothing. And she has no right to tell girls not to try for a boys attention either. Boys and girls meet each other at school all the time, they even have a name for it, universally known, highschool sweethearts.

Some of you folks sure are control freaks.

Perpetual victims, like the foot in mouth brigade being called out for their bullsh8t?

 

[GaryM]

Mate I think you are getting it all out of proportion
This is not about disrespecting children and no one has even said that
This is about students disrespecting the rules of the school and then playing the system to make out they are the victims in all of this.

I am betting these kids are not wallflowers and know exactly what they are doing and are having a chuckle about how clever they were outsmarting the teacher. I know plenty of these kids
What do you think the message they got out of all of this and do you think they have modified their behaviour or still dressing the same?

Can I ask also do you think this new system is producing better members of society? I think the evidence is there that it isn’t working

How many times can this be pointed out, you have no idea how short the skirts actually were. You just blindly accept they were showing their bahjingas (your words). And its a public school, with limited dress code capability. Most are lucky to enforce a uniform at all.

Let me ask this. These girls are involved, as are their parents, but you think they need to go quietly. But youre not involved, so why dont you have to just be quiet about it? Im just wondering if while youre thinking about whats wrong with the country, if you even think about hypocrisy?

 

[RDM]

At what point do you think I dont understand why a girl might wear a short skirt?

It changes nothing. And she has no right to tell girls not to try for a boys attention either. Boys and girls meet each other at school all the time, they even have a name for it, universally known, highschool sweethearts.

Some of you folks sure are control freaks.

Perpetual victims, like the foot in mouth brigade being called out for their bullsh8t?

Of course she has a right to tell them to stop, she is charged with giving them an education not facilitating a dating service or helping anyone find a partner. It has nothing to do with control and everything to do with her trying to ensure that the kids get the appropriate level of education. If she were to let it go on and students failed because they were too concerned getting the attention of the opposite sex rather than an education you would be up her for the rent about that too.
With people like you its a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.
I am well aware that couples meet at school, that's how I met my partner. My school also had rules about appropriate dress and one of those rules pertained to the length of the girls dresses, it didn't hinder peoples ability to find a partner it just meant people made a connection beyond her nice tits or his nice biceps which I would argue leads to a healthier relationship anyway.

 

[dno67]

Parents can raise a child (even if they don't do it well), but a child
can not raise a parent !

 

[GaryM]

Of course she has a right to tell them to stop, she is charged with giving them an education not facilitating a dating service or helping anyone find a partner. It has nothing to do with control and everything to do with her trying to ensure that the kids get the appropriate level of education. If she were to let it go on and students failed because they were too concerned getting the attention of the opposite sex rather than an education you would be up her for the rent about that too.
With people like you its a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.
I am well aware that couples meet at school, that's how I met my partner. My school also had rules about appropriate dress and one of those rules pertained to the length of the girls dresses, it didn't hinder peoples ability to find a partner it just meant people made a connection beyond her nice tits or his nice biceps which I would argue leads to a healthier relationship anyway.

Im not sure what country you live in but I live in Australia. She has no right to tell them to stop. Just as she has no right to tell them they cant date some boy. Likening it to a dating service, where you set about actively putting people together, finding them matches, LOL. Theres no disproportion there. Theres a huge difference between actively helping them find matches, and just not getting in the way. Its not her job to obstruct them in finding boyfriends/girlfriends, thats a parents role.

If you went to public school, you should be well aware there is bugger all control over skirt length from the school, thats down to Mum and Dad and some are strict, and others not so much. PUBLIC schools cant enforce much of a uniform at all, they just manage to bluff it. ITS A PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you went to private school, Id be asking for a refund if you cant work out the difference.

You assume way too much. I wouldnt be saying much about kids failing due to their activities at all. I dont expect teachers to perform miracles, and Im nolt the loony left PC brigade. I just get why this is wrong.

The skirt CANT possibly have been that short it was crude. We would have heard that already. We havent. If it was, they could very easily be suspended for being dressed indecently. She wasnt. It would be a CRIMINAL offence if their goodies were visible. So clearly, it wasnt as short as Principal Prudish is hoping you wowsers will perceive in her defence. Common sense, its not so common. This isnt rocket science. But it is Mrs Jessop fodder.

The only difference between yall and another certain culture, is yall aint calling them infidels.

Heres some irony for you. These parents, these kids cant stop being all PC, and entitled etc, while ya'll, with no dog in the fight, cant shut up. Yeah lol, perpetual whinging. Yall need mirrors.

 

[Marck]

The only difference between yall and another certain culture, is yall aint calling them infidels.

I just spat coffee all over my iPad and desk. This line is solid gold. +1 beer.

M

 

[RDM]

Im not sure what country you live in but I live in Australia. She has no right to tell them to stop. Just as she has no right to tell them they cant date some boy. Likening it to a dating service, where you set about actively putting people together, finding them matches, LOL. Theres no disproportion there. Theres a huge difference between actively helping them find matches, and just not getting in the way. Its not her job to obstruct them in finding boyfriends/girlfriends, thats a parents role.

If you went to public school, you should be well aware there is bugger all control over skirt length from the school, thats down to Mum and Dad and some are strict, and others not so much. PUBLIC schools cant enforce much of a uniform at all, they just manage to bluff it. ITS A PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you went to private school, Id be asking for a refund if you cant work out the difference.

You assume way too much. I wouldnt be saying much about kids failing due to their activities at all. I dont expect teachers to perform miracles, and Im nolt the loony left PC brigade. I just get why this is wrong.

The skirt CANT possibly have been that short it was crude. We would have heard that already. We havent. If it was, they could very easily be suspended for being dressed indecently. She wasnt. It would be a CRIMINAL offence if their goodies were visible. So clearly, it wasnt as short as Principal Prudish is hoping you wowsers will perceive in her defence. Common sense, its not so common. This isnt rocket science. But it is Mrs Jessop fodder.

The only difference between yall and another certain culture, is yall aint calling them infidels.

Heres some irony for you. These parents, these kids cant stop being all PC, and entitled etc, while ya'll, with no dog in the fight, cant shut up. Yeah lol, perpetual whinging. Yall need mirrors.

I can't shut up? Shal we go back a tally posts on the subject?
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one...

 

[GaryM]

I can't shut up? Shal we go back a tally posts on the subject?
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one...

Why? Im not the one that thinks people are entitled or need to shut up. Im just pointing out irony, and hypocrisy of those that complain about these people who actually have a genuine vested interest, complaining.

Again, it wasnt rocket science.

 

[Albynsw]

GaryM I am not against standing up for your rights, I do it every day and taught my kids likewise and I have been up to the school and taken a teacher to task if I believed they did the wrong thing BUT I tell my kids that if you do the wrong thing and get caught to cop it sweet and accept it ( and they were far from angles at school) but there were many a parent who looked at their kids through rose coloured glasses and always had to blame somebody else for a situation and the kids never learnt the consequences of their actions
A bit of discipline and learning to follow rules is a good lesson for their future life in the real world

Time to move on @mikehzz we need s new topic

 

[GaryM]

GaryM I am not against standing up for your rights, I do it every day and taught my kids likewise and I have been up to the school and taken a teacher to task if I believed they did the wrong thing BUT I tell my kids that if you do the wrong thing and get caught to cop it sweet and accept it ( and they were far from angles at school) but there were many a parent who looked at their kids through rose coloured glasses and always had to blame somebody else for a situation and the kids never learnt the consequences of their actions
A bit of discipline and learning to follow rules is a good lesson for their future life in the real world

Time to move on @mikehzz we need s new topic

Except there is no evidence the girls actually did anything wrong. Just the claims of a woman, under scrutiny.

Not to mention there is an assumption that all the parents doing the complaining, are parents of the girls with short skirts. Highly likely, the parents are just parents of girls at the assembly. Could even be some boys parents concerned about the message too, not sure but they probably werent wearing short skirts either.

 

[Albynsw]

Except there is no evidence the girls actually did anything wrong. Just the claims of a woman, under scrutiny.

Mate you are going out of your way to make it all the teachers fault and that no one else did anything wrong.
The article said that there was a breach of the uniform policy, the Dept stood by that and the students also said that they were doing it, what further evidence do you need?

There has to be a standard of dress and that is not that it is just legal. Do you think it would be acceptable for them to wear bikinis to school? I am sure it is not illegal but is it appropriate attire for school?
There has to be guidelines and teachers need to have some control over their students just like there is in a workplace.
Nobody is saying take away or infringe on their rights, they are being asked to obey the rules. Sure the teacher could of handled it better and that can be addressed but it has become the focal point and the students have learnt nothing but how to manipulate the system to their advantage

 

[dno67]

The result of Poor parenting.

 

[mikehzz]

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Time to move on @mikehzz we need s new topic

Bugger that, I need a new planet. Everything anyone thinks or says has to be regulated and fit particular guidelines. Nobody is allowed to be offended or lose at anything. The world is just so rosey, just like nature intended....you know survival of the...err everyone? If you ask me, everything about our civilization is the answer to Fermi's Paradox. We'll go down for sure, it can't go on.

 

[Spooner]

I was amazed today , A young 18 yo girl at Macca's couldn't count my coins ?
My order was $10.85 so I gave her correct weight .
Completely bamboozled her and she couldn't add the coins at all
85cents , a 50 , a 20 , a 10 and a 5cent piece??????
What do they teach them at school these days.

 

[RDM]

She must of been distracted by all the short skirts, cleavage and biceps on the day they tought that!!!

Sorry couldn't help myself.....

 

[dno67]