What Cheeses Me Off!!!!

GaryM

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If it is its never enforced ..............theres signs everywhere saying keep left unless overtaking, Ive never heard of anyone ever being booked for not keeping to the left .
Not enforced often up here either, but law states any road 80km/h and over, you must keep left. Its 2 points and $75.

In Vic, if you’re holding up traffic in the fast lane it is a $282 fine and two demerit points. In NSW, it is $298 and two demerit points. Its also illegal to speed up when being overtaken, same fines. Problem is most cops at such times have more pressing matters, but its illegal.
 

Albynsw

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Ok then
so it is fine for the girls to be provocatively dressed with red lace bras and an open buttoned blouse and her skirt hitched up so that you can see her bajinga and likewise for the fat middle age male teacher to wear his speedos with the worn out elastic to school. That is their right and everyone else just has to deal with it.
I am glad we have got that sorted out :rolleyes:
 

GaryM

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So youre saying the girl that wears a shortish skirt with a visible bra strap, is now showing off her bajinga? Im not sure I saw reference to visible bajingas. That would be illegal, not a matter of dress code.

And I have no issue holding a professional teacher to a higher standard, and its not gender related, I have no issue holding a female principal to account either. Its not hard, you cant tell girls its their fault for making boys do the wrong thing. A girl does not need to constantly dress or act in a manner based on the impact she might have on some boys. She is free to walk the street naked and not be accosted by males. Arrested sure, but not sexually touched. Im referring to her right not to be harassed, not that its wise or would never result in a bad outcome. But I would not diminish the penalty on a male who failed to control himself, nor blame the naked woman. Her responsibility to herself is a separate matter and not relevant to the penalty for crimes that might take place.

If you want to sort things out, start with staying rational.
 
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GaryM

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Try it from another perspective, a young male/or lesbian, comes home from school suspended because he/she/identifies as he but born a she/identifies as a she who identifies as a he who identified as a he but born a she, decided to tackle the issue with the girls directly. Or was ostracised from his local community because he concluded rape victims ask for it if dressed 'slutty'. Im betting if you found your son making odd statements like that and the wider community ostrasised him, and then found his school taught him that, even if by implication, youd be calling for the teachers head too.

I seem to recall most were outraged when a group of Mulsim males raped a young girl in Sydney and they, and their parents, and various clerics made such claims that the boys cant be blamed/or not solely to blame if girls are going to dress like 'that'. Some said they should walk free, it being their right to take what they want, from an infidel. Teaching, direct and by implication, is very real.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...k=a90a98150d71ad4cfb4b4d714d0ea35b-1517862140

or a guilty man. blaming culture and religion for his actions
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-11-01/grenfell-rape-victim-speaks-out-on-muslim/1299180

seriously, there are reasons you cant teach that, even by implication, that anyone else is responsible for your actions, or that your urges are justified by the acts of the victim, and we can expect that level of comprehension in a professional principal.

The leftist PC bullcrap will be she keeps her job, ya hippy commie lefty loons.
 
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Blue_haired_man

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Try it from another perspective, a young male/or lesbian, comes home from school suspended because he/she/identifies as he but born a she/identifies as a she who identifies as a he who identified as a he but born a she, decided to tackle the issue with the girls directly. Or was ostracised from his local community because he concluded rape victims ask for it if dressed 'slutty'. Im betting if you found your son making odd statements like that and the wider community ostrasised him, and then found his school taught him that, even if by implication, youd be calling for the teachers head too.

I seem to recall most were outraged when a group of Mulsim males raped a young girl in Sydney and they, and their parents, and various clerics made such claims that the boys cant be blamed/or not solely to blame if girls are going to dress like 'that'. Some said they should walk free, it being their right to take what they want, from an infidel. Teaching, direct and by implication, is very real.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...k=a90a98150d71ad4cfb4b4d714d0ea35b-1517862140

or a guilty man. blaming culture and religion for his actions
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-11-01/grenfell-rape-victim-speaks-out-on-muslim/1299180

seriously, there are reasons you cant teach that, even by implication, that anyone else is responsible for your actions, or that your urges are justified by the acts of the victim, and we can expect that level of comprehension in a professional principal.

The leftist PC bullcrap will be she keeps her job, ya hippy commie lefty loons.
I think that’s drawing a pretty long bow, the principal said distraction, she didn’t call them harletts inviting sexual assault for what they are wearing.

Like I said poor choice of words, not incitement. I think everyone here, male, female or whatever else they feel like identifying as today, would agree that there is no excuses for sexual assault and I don’t believe anyone was trying to diminish that, I sure as hell wasn’t.

Lefty loons? If they had their way the principal would be publicly hung and quartered for not towing the feminazi line.
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Whew! my head is spinning about this stuff for a particular school girl's dress code.
So rather than give my own opinion, I went straight to the horse's mouth. Sorry, a secondary girl student's mouth. She is a beautiful 17 y.o. young girl, still at school, very cool, who has many friends, boys, girls, queers, transgenders, etc. and is part of today's youth.
We spoke quite openly about short dresses, colored bras, hair, makeup, morals, mannerisms etc.
Yesterday I asked her a straight out question and she gave me a straight out answer.
My question to her was. "Do girls purposely dress and behave in a certain way to attract boys, for example wearing colored bras and short dresses to attract boys attention and more?"
Her answer was "Yes" and further more she said if she gets unwanted attention she will "bloody well tell them where to go".
Go you girl, and that's why I love my grand daughter so much.:).
 

Albynsw

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So youre saying the girl that wears a shortish skirt with a visible bra strap, is now showing off her bajinga? Im not sure I saw reference to visible bajingas. That would be illegal, not a matter of dress code.

And I have no issue holding a professional teacher to a higher standard, and its not gender related, I have no issue holding a female principal to account either. Its not hard, you cant tell girls its their fault for making boys do the wrong thing. A girl does not need to constantly dress or act in a manner based on the impact she might have on some boys. She is free to walk the street naked and not be accosted by males. Arrested sure, but not sexually touched. Im referring to her right not to be harassed, not that its wise or would never result in a bad outcome. But I would not diminish the penalty on a male who failed to control himself, nor blame the naked woman. Her responsibility to herself is a separate matter and not relevant to the penalty for crimes that might take place.

If you want to sort things out, start with staying rational.

This topic here is a great example of why our society it turning to shite.
Cut to the chase we have a situation where some students are not adhering to the dress code and the conversation gets manipulated and changed to a point that we are discussing side issues on a PC basis and the real issue gets lost in the chatter.
The teacher probably rattled off a whole raft of reasons about why their conduct was not acceptable and the only item that gets focused on is distraction to other students and people pick up the ball on that and off we go on another tangent and the real issue gets left behind
 

RDM

Active Member
This topic here is a great example of why our society it turning to shite.
Cut to the chase we have a situation where some students are not adhering to the dress code and the conversation gets manipulated and changed to a point that we are discussing side issues on a PC basis and the real issue gets lost in the chatter.
The teacher probably rattled off a whole raft of reasons about why their conduct was not acceptable and the only item that gets focused on is distraction to other students and people pick up the ball on that and off we go on another tangent and the real issue gets left behind
You've hit the nail on the head! Everyone is over here talking this PC rubbish while the core issue of why these brats Female Male or indifferent and their parents think that they can get away with not adhering to the rules. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words on the principals part but is that really the key issue in this whole argument? Do you honestly think the affect that a principals poor choice of words is going to have on society doesn't pail into insignificance when compared to the affect todays youth not being pulled into line when required for fear of offending them or their parents is going to have!
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
What is definition of a dress code? Would not proper ( acceptable) and improper ( unacceptable ) appearance come into this?
As manager of one particular bank I counselled a new female junior because of short dress and low cut blouse. Complaints also came from more senior female staff and a couple of female customers. I saw it as not in keeping with the Bank's expectations to dress in a business like manner so as to portray that to our business clients and therefore was unacceptable. If kids don't adhere to dress codes or any other codes/ rules at school, how are they going to work at Maccas :D.
 

Blue_haired_man

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This topic here is a great example of why our society it turning to shite.
Cut to the chase we have a situation where some students are not adhering to the dress code and the conversation gets manipulated and changed to a point that we are discussing side issues on a PC basis and the real issue gets lost in the chatter.
The teacher probably rattled off a whole raft of reasons about why their conduct was not acceptable and the only item that gets focused on is distraction to other students and people pick up the ball on that and off we go on another tangent and the real issue gets left behind
Exactly the point I was trying to make
 

GaryM

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This topic here is a great example of why our society it turning to shite.
Cut to the chase we have a situation where some students are not adhering to the dress code and the conversation gets manipulated and changed to a point that we are discussing side issues on a PC basis and the real issue gets lost in the chatter.
The teacher probably rattled off a whole raft of reasons about why their conduct was not acceptable and the only item that gets focused on is distraction to other students and people pick up the ball on that and off we go on another tangent and the real issue gets left behind
youre joking right? The topic is 100% on point.
1. There are other ways to deal with it, and a PRINCIPAL can be expected not to get this fundamental to her job aspect wrong. ie: Suspension for breach of school rules.
2. There is no evidence that the skirts are in fact shockingly short. We just have her word for it. It could very easily be she is a prude, and power tripper.
3. She admits to singling out girls for an assembly, where the topics of distraction, and short skirts were broached. Theres no way to justify that. She is by implication suggesting the distraction is the girls fault.

But, its WHY you cant blame girls for the issues boys face dealing with their own hormones. Not to mention there are girls, not necessarily in short skirts who will take on some of that and who knows how it effects their self esteem, or how they see their bodies. She, and you, have no right to expect that to be acceptable. These are not separate side issues, they are the issues. People arent angry for the reasons you seem to think, they are concerned about the message, and its a message not easily undone for every last potentially negatively effected student. This is very much an issue about suitability for a job, in a PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Its clear she said short skirts, and that distracts boys (regardless of whatever else you IMAGINE she might have said). It doesnt matter if thats all she said, or part of what she said. That part, is reprehensible for the principal of a public school.



This dress code thing isnt rocket science.
She made statements, by her own admission, that the girls were singled out for an assembly, and both dress code and the distraction for boys that short skirts create. She has since tried to clean it up, but its of little consequence to the complaint because even if she said more, it doesnt change the connection between the two things in dispute.

You cant, in a public school, tell a girl she is to blame for a boys inability to focus simply because she wore clothing that is not illegal.

There are SOME boys (and really, the concern is theres just one, not necessarily a few), who will interpret that as justification. And that is a genuine potential problem for their future wives, daughters or strangers passing by on a bus they decide to vent their twisted mind at. It also runs the risk of shaming some girls not necessarily in short skirts, therefor innocent of the entire thing. There are good reasons this isnt acceptable, and that is from people who make a living understanding such things as depression and domestic and or sexual violence. And no, Im not suggesting in the playground, it could be 20 years after the boy leaves school.

Moreover, I dont get why you cant grasp this. If the dress is clearly not to code, suspend the girl and send her home. Problem solved. Something tells me the skirts arent as drastically short as is being made out, and the principal thinks she is the base for morals and values. Because if they were so short to be crude, they would be sent home. I highly doubt they are being left to their own devices, walking around with what was it Alby, bahjingas hanging out?

This isnt difficult, a teacher, a principal needs to possess the wherewithal to know this. She isnt there to teach your values, she has to cater to many and varied values. Its not a private school. If she cant manage that, maybe look for employment in a private school, where parents are paying thousands and wont be happy to see little Mary suspended and will gladly ensure her skirt is below the knee. She has shown she isnt cut out for the job, her decision process for the top job at a school is lacking. And yes, its a basic blunder for someone in that position.

Is it distracting? Sure, I have no doubt. I went to school, and girls for sure had short skirts. I was at times distracted, but it was my issue, not the girls.
 
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hiluxdriver

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what cheeses me off is old blokes with no mates that now live on forums thinking they have the answers to the world's problems. Also those ads on chanel 10 with the breathy female voice over.
 

loose cannon

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what cheeses me off is old blokes with no mates that now live on forums thinking they have the answers to the world's problems. Also those ads on chanel 10 with the breathy female voice over.

This is going to come as a bit of a shock to you but the old rape/sexual harassment defence of 'she was asking for it, just look at the way she was dressed' is dead in the water. So is the old 'dress like meat and they'll attract animals' line. That's 1950's talk right there, and I should know I was alive then.
We've moved on from those antiquated conservative and sexist ideals a long time ago. You remind me of my father...and grandfather, that should embarrass you young fella, especially after your chirlish comment.

No wonder your nieces ignore you. Can you even begin to comprehend why they do so? Or do you have all the answers already?:rolleyes:
 

Albynsw

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@GaryM I am not talking so much about the technicalities of this particular incident although I recon I have a pretty good idea how it played out ( including who pretended to be the victims) for a start because we don't even know them or the history leading up to the point. We only know one aspect of the incident and it probably shouldn't be the focal point but sure maybe a side issue to address.
A friend has finished uni and just done her first 12 months teaching at a public school and they are told not to say anything negative towards the students.
If a student does the wrong thing you are to add additional praise to another student in the hope to aspire the one in the wrong to modify their behaviour :rolleyes:
Everything should work out just fine.o_O
 

rogerazz

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I find this conversation quite funny at times. I am an old bloke but I do have a missus, three daughters and seven grand daughters ( all at primary and secondary schools). My missus, because our daughters are not that good at sewing, does a lot of school hem work:D.
For those that don't know what school hem work is :D, basically it the raising and lowering of girls school dresses' hems.
When the girls are at primary, by order of their mother,s the dresses are low towards their ankles ( saves on buying uniforms).
In secondary schools by order of the girls ( not their mothers anymore :D) , their dress are somewhere well above knees and heading north :eek:.
And as my seventeen year old grand daughter told me a couple of days ago. "To attract attention from boys is one of the main objectives". :D.
Oh! and as a young bloke , many people commented on my abs:D. So you guessed it, I spent a lot of time walking around with no top on hoping and getting attention, remarks, advances, whistles, etc. from girls.
 

Albynsw

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I find this conversation quite funny at times. I am an old bloke but I do have a missus, three daughters and seven grand daughters ( all at primary and secondary schools). My missus, because our daughters are not that good at sewing, does a lot of school hem work:D.
For those that don't know what school hem work is :D, basically it the raising and lowering of girls school dresses' hems.
When the girls are at primary, by order of their mother,s the dresses are low towards their ankles ( saves on buying uniforms).
In secondary schools by order of the girls ( not their mothers anymore :D) , their dress are somewhere well above knees and heading north :eek:.
And as my seventeen year old grand daughter told me a couple of days ago. "To attract attention from boys is one of the main objectives". :D.
Oh! and as a young bloke , many people commented on my abs:D. So you guessed it, I spent a lot of time walking around with no top on hoping and getting attention, remarks, advances, whistles, etc. from girls.

Come on Rog, you can't go around telling the truth like that these days.
We now like to pretend that this does not happen and that my intentions were pure and innocent and I am shocked and disgusted and scarred for life with you even suggesting it does.
You will now have to pay for your mistakes, probably get demoted from your job and portraided in society as the villain
 

Mr Rum

4x4 Earth Legend
and getting attention, remarks, advances, whistles, etc. from girls.
Those bitches!
How dare they objectify you that way.

I hope there was a minority group around back then to protect your feelings from these advances, and another to complain about how it was your fault for the poor grades those young ladies were getting, and yet another to blame the schools for all of it...
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Funny that???? Since I got old, fat, bald, tell Dad jokes, I do not get the attention anymore.
However my Psychiatrist says it is "Part of becoming an old fart.":eek:.
 

smitty_r51

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Government bloody projects

ACT will supply a new chromebook to each senior Yr 7-10 STUDENT for this school year.

great, espcially as my eldest managed to drop his laptop at the end of the last term...means i didn't buy him a new one (neither did half the parents at the school)

now i Know school term start times are hard to find, and there is not any downtime for the education department between december and februrary but surprise.

Kids start school yestrday to be told it could be march before they get the laptops, in the meantime use their phones


so you now have kids who have to use an electronic device to perform their school workwho for the next month are working on a 4" screen or trying to grab a school pool laptop (think january sales) beause some idiot department can't isentify an easy deadline and sort their s%#t out
so do j let the poor lad suffer because someone else stuffed up, or do ibuy him a laptop that he is only going to use for a month at most
 
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