Victorians may be fined $924 for walking off a park trail

Patriot

Administrator
News has a story about new legislation that Dan is trying to bring in where a lot more regulations will be in force throughout Victorian Parks.

Proposed fines include $924 for walking off a trail, and some bodies of water will require a permit to swim in.

The rules will come into force before the election on the 26th of November.

I have had a look on the Parks website, but I can't find any more information, so I have emailed Parks to find out.

Will keep everyone informed.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
From what I read - and hope, this only relates to about 50 parks outlined in this document. Suburban and Regional parks. It looks to me that News Limited is making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.




Appendix A – parks to be included in the proposed regulations​

Reserve (reserve number/Tenure ID)Currently regulatedMetro/ Regional
Albert Park Reserve (1204268)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Albert Park Reserve and Albert Reserve) Regulations 2008Metro
Albert Reserve (1204484)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Albert Park Reserve and Albert Reserve) Regulations 2008Metro
Altona Meadows Natural Features Reserve (1204645)No, unregulatedRegional
Bendigo Regional Park (2015937)No, unregulatedRegional
Braeside Park (2011822)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Cape Nelson Lighthouse Reserve (0306727) (COM)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Cape Schanck Lighthouse Reserve) Regulations 1995Regional
Cape Schanck Lighthouse Reserve (1205575) (COM)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Cape Schanck Lighthouse Reserve) Regulations 1995Regional
Cardinia Creek Parklands (2011823)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Clarke Road Streamside Reserve (0704465)No, unregulatedMetro
Cliffy Island Lighthouse Reserve (1511485) (COM)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Cape Schanck Lighthouse Reserve) Regulations 1995Regional
Dandenong Police Paddock Reserve (1202789)No, unregulatedMetro
Dandenong Ranges Botanic Gardens (formerly the National Rhododendron Garden) (2025374) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Dandenong Valley Parklands (2011824)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Dandenong Valley Parklands (1204805) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Gabo Island Lighthouse Reserve (1604547)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Regional
George Tindale Memorial Gardens - Gardens of the Dandenongs (2002046 COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Hepburn Regional Park (2023940)No, unregulatedRegional
Herring Island (1204535)Yes, Herring Island Reserves Regulations 1986Metro
Kerang Regional Park (2019207)No, unregulatedRegional
Kew Land – Molesworth St (2013200)No, unregulatedMetro
Kurth Kiln Regional Park (2016144)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Regional
Lower Maribyrnong Parklands (2011825)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Lower Maribyrnong Parklands (1204967) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Lower Yarra River land (2011826)No, unregulatedMetro
Macedon Regional Park (0704887)No, unregulatedRegional
Maribyrnong Valley Parklands (2011827)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Maribyrnong Valley Parklands (1204454) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Merri Creek Park (2022275)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Mount Dandenong Observatory (1202582)Yes, Mount Dandenong Observatory Reserve Regulations 1996Metro
Olinda G168 Bushland Reserve (1203163)No, unregulatedMetro
Olinda Golf Course (1203110)Olinda Golf Course Reserve Regulations 1991Metro
Patterson River Parkland (2011929)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Peach Tree Creek Reserve (1604570)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Regional
Pirianda Gardens - Gardens of the Dandenongs (2002047) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Plenty Gorge Parklands (2011830)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Plenty Gorge Parklands (1205057) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Point Cook Coastal Park (2011851)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Point Cook Coastal Park (0704436) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Point Gellibrand Heritage Park (2003682)No, unregulatedMetro
Point Hicks Lighthouse Reserve (1604546)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Regional
Sandbelt Parklands (Karkarook Park) (2011831)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Shepparton Regional Park (0802878)No, unregulatedRegional
Wattle Park (2012213)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Werribee Park (0704447) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Westgate Park (1204741)No, unregulatedMetro
William Ricketts Sanctuary - Gardens of the Dandenongs (1203594) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
Woowookarung Regional Park (2012194)No, unregulatedRegional
Yarra Bend Park (1204312)Crown Land (Reserves) (Yarra Bend Park) Regulations 2009Metro
Lower Yarra River land (2011826)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Yarra Valley Parklands (2011832)Yes, Crown Land (Reserves) (Metropolitan Parks) Regulations 2011Metro
Yarra Valley Parklands (1204662) (COM)No, unregulatedMetro
 

callmejoe

Well-Known Member
@boobook, you may be right but I'd hate for this just to be the 1st "test run".
Get a feel, see how much kick back come about and then push forward with more....
 

Triton14

Well-Known Member
Australians in all states can expect to have more & more of your freedoms taken away in years to come as Australia becomes the biggest over ruled, over policed nanny state.

Its becoming much less "The lucky country" & more an oppressed country!
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
I just read the whole document, and while I'm not a lawyer, it looks like a storm in a tea cup. It replaces the existing act, which expires in March 2023. It too has a 10 year expiry date. It looks similar to the old existing law on the same parks, but with updates like adding powered remotely controlled aircraft, vehicles like scooters etc. It even allows wood collection and removal in certain circumstances.

If it applied to the national parks where people remotely camp, fish, 4wd and hunt then it would be a problem, but it clearly specifies where it applies to - like the last one 10 years ago.

Unless you want to camp with a fire and cut down trees in Albert Park Lake it wont affect genuine campers and 4wders.

But digging deeper than the News Ltd article is my advice.
 
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rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
If it applied to the national parks where people remotely camp, fish, 4wd and hunt then it would be a problem, but it clearly specifies where it applies to - like the last one 10 yeare ago
There has been a push for many years now to expand National Parks, that also encompass State Parks and other vast areas.
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
There has been a push for many years now to expand National Parks, that also encompass State Parks and other vast areas.
I put up a post about this some time ago.
As you say, been going on for years.
I can no longer legally collect fire wood. Rules regularly change imposing more restricting rules.
 

Petunia

Well-Known Member
Fine them twice as much, they come up here every winter wearing out our roads, I dont go walking on their tracks. :p
 

phs

Well-Known Member
I just read the whole document, and while I'm not a lawyer, it looks like a storm in a tea cup. It replaces the existing act, which expires in March 2023. It too has a 10 year expiry date. It looks similar to the old existing law on the same parks, but with updates like adding powered remotely controlled aircraft, vehicles like scooters etc. It even allows wood collection and removal in certain circumstances.

If it applied to the national parks where people remotely camp, fish, 4wd and hunt then it would be a problem, but it clearly specifies where it applies to - like the last one 10 years ago.

Unless you want to camp with a fire and cut down trees in Albert Park Lake it wont affect genuine campers and 4wders.

But digging deeper than the News Ltd article is my advice.
Similar or the same ?
Sounds like a joke to get fined going off the trial
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Dan will be remembered for being the scumbag leader of Victoria and the man who nearly bankrupted the state , total authoritarian ahole
Can’t stand the man, every time I see or hear him I just remember all the lies and manipulation , total dog trying not to be a snake
 

phs

Well-Known Member
407Crossing area by way other than identified track prohibited

(1)The land manager by determination may set aside an area of a park as a track for walking or riding.

(2)A person must not, in a park, leave a track set aside for walking or riding under subregulation (1).

Penalty: 5 penalty units

(3)The land manager may issue a permit authorising a person to engage in an activity prohibited by subregulation (1).

$184.92 per penalty unit
 

LongRoad2Go

Well-Known Member
Ironic: called the 'Garden State', just don't walk through one otherwise you'll cop a hefty fine! :oops:

Looks like Dan-The-Man has made a deal with the Greens to maintain Gubberment?
 
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rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
I see an election coming up.
If you vote for the Azza Party, rest assured that if they get in, you can 4wd, camp, have fires, do what you like, go where you like, even camp in back yards, streets, wherever.
Please vote Azza Party this next election.
Disclaimer........ I was enjoying a sherber or two while writing this crap , but hey others on here are writing election garbage too.
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
It seems to me that it doesn't matter what government you elect they all do stuff like this. You elect an alternative and they don't repeal it. That's life and it's public land under their management by our authority through the ballot box. What annoys me is the control they have over my land that I'm supposed to own. I can't do this or that like remove a pesky undesirable tree etc. I can't even widen my driveway without a DA because it has to have a retaining wall over 600mm or some such crap. It's definitely gone a step too far.
 

ULost2

Well-Known Member
then I will not be able the get photos like these taken at the Grampian Mts (Vic) a couple of days ago . If that's the case there is no point going as I will be excepted the "stand here" on the feet mats at "tourist hours" to take the same **** photo as all others. Sort of why I can't be bothered going up to Mungo Np (nsw) any more . Not to mention the bloody stupid 70 km way one road around the park that doesn't allow anyone to back track for better light :( . " If the touist go there I generally don't go there "
Basically of the card happy snaps -- will share a few more later on my photo thread and Flickr
 

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Patriot

Administrator
Parks Vic did get back to me earlier this week.

This is where the consultation process is going on.

My issues with this is if there is an economic study going alongside the legislation? Could we be driving more economic benefit to rural and regional towns by enabling more tourists to enjoy the great outdoors?
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
407Crossing area by way other than identified track prohibited

(1)The land manager by determination may set aside an area of a park as a track for walking or riding.

(2)A person must not, in a park, leave a track set aside for walking or riding under subregulation (1).

Penalty: 5 penalty units

(3)The land manager may issue a permit authorising a person to engage in an activity prohibited by subregulation (1).

$184.92 per penalty unit
Yep, you are correct. That does seem over the top.
 

phs

Well-Known Member
^ sure is, what is currently happening that they need laws like this

I would be very interested to see what 4wd Victoria’s stance on the matter is, they usually get heard due to there association size
 
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