Tritons, diesel - what do I need to know?

Thinking of upgrading the old 93 Hilux, can't afford a new/newish one. My brother has a 2012 diesel Triton which he abuses mercilessly but it seems to hang in there and they are not too expensive.

I'm a fishing guide, so go offroad a lot, but nothing too extreme. I need something better onroad (the Hilux is bullet-proof offroad, but terrible onroad) Was thinking of getting either a new/demo Triton, or one with less than 50,000kms, adding a lift kit, bullbar, snorkel.

Any experiences, issues I need to know about.

Or should I look at a D22 Navara? Don't think I can afford Hilux/Ranger/BT50/Amarok/Dmax.

Cheers
 

Tink

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I know there is talk that some Tritons have issues with intake manifolds clogging up. Maybe worth checking any secondhand ones. Good luck.
Tink
 

Les PK Ranger

4x4 Earth Contributer
If you get anything with an EGR system, fit a catch can (provent 200), and look for a decent electronic EGR 'fix' . . . note - EGR disabling is not legal, but the effects of EGR on the intake manifold over time is just as polluting eventually.

Unfortunately a contact here http://www.ozbushelectronics.com.au/ doesn't seem to have one for Tritons yet, but maybe worth emailing or phoning him (Young) and asking . . . some good reading there about EGR systems and his mappers on the home page, especially about the EGR and diesel engines right down the bottom.

If you go for a Navara, well, they just seem to pour out black smoke all the time they are under the slightest load, so no need to worry about emissions with them.
 

red99td5

Active Member
The manual Tritons appear to be having issues with 3rd gear popping out, once its fixed under warranty it seems to fix the problem
 

Triton14

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The manual Tritons appear to be having issues with 3rd gear popping out, once its fixed under warranty it seems to fix the problem

Never heard of that one, are what series are you talking??

My MN has had no such issue but has had 2 recalls for the cooling system & wiring loom.

Yes EGR is an issue but there are fixes!
 

milneyy

Member
In regards to Tritons, best head to newtriton.net where all questions have been asked and answered before.

In short:
EGR can and should be blocked electronically - forget blanking plates
Catch can install (prevent 200)
Some motors have issues (2.5L between 2012-2015ish), poor machining on head or some such causing them overheat - from all reports they are being replaced even if outside of warranty (some dealers need a gentle push and reminder of consumer rights)
GLX-r has a centre diff so can be run in 4Hi onroad ala landcruisers
Don't load up heaps of weight behind the rear axle + flog a massive trailer - asking for trouble
MN series has a massively long tub which is detrimental offroad
2" lift is all you want to do without adding a diff drop (which is available)
Reduction gears available if keen, standard low range is only 1.9:1 which is noticeablely not low in the manual, the auto hides this a bit better. (reduction gears of 2.7 and 3.15 can be installed, 3.15 adds about 2 gears below low 1st and will put you in wrangler rubicon levels of low range)
Factory rear diff lock was an option and a good option
Don't buy a red one.
Install bash plates if going offroad
32" tyres are as big as you can legally go, 33" usually fit with a lift and p20 offset rims

There, I think I've answered every standard question.

All in all they are decent all round, you'll get more bang for buck than other brands. I've owned mine since new and have taken it everywhere and not broken anything.
 

red99td5

Active Member
Never heard of that one, are what series are you talking??

My MN has had no such issue but has had 2 recalls for the cooling system & wiring loom.

Yes EGR is an issue but there are fixes!
The mq ones, lots of people with the issue on the mq triton fb group
 
If you go for a Navara, well, they just seem to pour out black smoke all the time they are under the slightest load, so no need to worry about emissions with them.

Just like the old Hilux !

In regards to Tritons, best head to newtriton.net where all questions have been asked and answered before.

In short:
EGR can and should be blocked electronically - forget blanking plates - now I know why I have a 25yo 4WD
Catch can install (prevent 200)
Some motors have issues (2.5L between 2012-2015ish), poor machining on head or some such causing them overheat - from all reports they are being replaced even if outside of warranty (some dealers need a gentle push and reminder of consumer rights)
GLX-r has a centre diff so can be run in 4Hi onroad ala landcruisers
Don't load up heaps of weight behind the rear axle + flog a massive trailer - asking for trouble
MN series has a massively long tub which is detrimental offroad
2" lift is all you want to do without adding a diff drop (which is available) - yeah, that's all I'd need
Reduction gears available if keen, standard low range is only 1.9:1 which is noticeablely not low in the manual, the auto hides this a bit better. (reduction gears of 2.7 and 3.15 can be installed, 3.15 adds about 2 gears below low 1st and will put you in wrangler rubicon levels of low range) - should not be an issue, don't do any really extreme stuff

Factory rear diff lock was an option and a good option
Don't buy a red one. - gotta be white
Install bash plates if going offroad - they don't come standard?
32" tyres are as big as you can legally go, 33" usually fit with a lift and p20 offset rims

There, I think I've answered every standard question.

All in all they are decent all round, you'll get more bang for buck than other brands. I've owned mine since new and have taken it everywhere and not broken anything.

Thanks Milney, good to know.
 

typhoeus

Well-Known Member
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Don't buy a red one.
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Would that be because (a)
The red paint fades & burns off after a year or (b)
Red cars go faster and this defeats the purpose of lowrange, which makes it faster than hi in other cars?:)
 
Could lease a 2019 model I suppose (tax advantages), but don't like the new look of them.
Wonder if I could pick up a 2018 model cheap?
 
Friend of a friend has a 2013 model with 86,000kms on it, bullbar, uhf, bit of a ding in the tailgate, might have new tyres soon, timing belt due to be done at 90,000kms?. What do you reckon it is worth?
 

CaptainBanana

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Sold mine last week, worst car I’ve owned with more faults than I care to count and Mitsubishi is useless. The BT50 is now cheaper and far more capable with less issues, better support and far better ride and performance...I wouldn’t buy another triton at any cost, check the Facebook groups for more info regarding unhappy owners. There are also a few of us on here who sold their shit heaps as a result of them being rubbish.

Don’t be fooled driving a 100% stock car and thinking it’s nice, they struggle with many aspects of modifications, performance degradation, fuel use, sometimes dangerous turbo lag and much more, in 14 months of ownership mine had been back too many times with electrical faults, wipers didn’t work, infotainment faults, window faults, aircon crapped out, paint runs, interior wear and it goes on and on...save your hard earned and buy something else.
 

Les PK Ranger

4x4 Earth Contributer
The BT50 is now cheaper and far more capable with less issues, better support and far better ride and performance...

Have to agree on the Mazda customer service / warranty side of things . . . bloke I know in SEQ had his BT50 with 35k on it spit a turbo to pieces and one buggered engine.
Very quick to say they are putting a brand new long motor in it for him under warranty.
Something you don't see very often, without a huge bun fight.
 

CaptainBanana

Well-Known Member
Have to agree on the Mazda customer service / warranty side of things . . . bloke I know in SEQ had his BT50 with 35k on it spit a turbo to pieces and one buggered engine.
Very quick to say they are putting a brand new long motor in it for him under warranty.
Something you don't see very often, without a huge bun fight.


My prior car was a 2016 Mazda which I toured and towed a caravan for over a year straight without a failure so I can’t comment on how good the dealers are
but I can say the car didn’t Have a new fault every other week.
 
Sold mine last week, worst car I’ve owned with more faults than I care to count and Mitsubishi is useless. The BT50 is now cheaper and far more capable with less issues, better support and far better ride and performance...I wouldn’t buy another triton at any cost, check the Facebook groups for more info regarding unhappy owners. There are also a few of us on here who sold their shit heaps as a result of them being rubbish.

Don’t be fooled driving a 100% stock car and thinking it’s nice, they struggle with many aspects of modifications, performance degradation, fuel use, sometimes dangerous turbo lag and much more, in 14 months of ownership mine had been back too many times with electrical faults, wipers didn’t work, infotainment faults, window faults, aircon crapped out, paint runs, interior wear and it goes on and on...save your hard earned and buy something else.

What year/model was it Captain?

I read a thread on the Triton site where a 2012 model was flogged for 15,000 hard kms per month until it hit 340,000 kms with hardly had any problems at all. Wondering if they are like Toyota's where the early (before 2000) models were bulletproof, then they went downhill (according to the local farmers)?

Interesting about Mazda dealers - I had a Mazda 3 work car and the local dealership/servicing was fantastic. Local Toyota on the other hand......

My guiding buddy just got a new BT50 (he earns a lot more than me!). He'd only had it 2 weeks when one day it refused to start (fuse problem) & the local Mazda dealer was up there like a shot getting it sorted for him.
 

CaptainBanana

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Mine was a 2017 exceed with lots done to it. My Uncle had the previous generation for eleven years without a fault even though they're said to be rather rubbish too.

With the current shape there are quite a few of us with issues and quite a few of us who found they are very very under-performing once they have any weight at all. Then you have to consider front suspension design for example being very limited for lift and the fact that as soon as you move away from stock tyres the ride can become unbearable. Mine had so much kickback on expansion joints it would hurt your wrists and I only ran 34psi in the front tyres to soften it, my local suspension specialist actually wanted to send the struts in for testing because he couldn't believe the new model had so much feedback in the steering. Unfortunately, my friend also bought one and once you change tyres, hang a bullbar and winch off the front the rides horrible.

Stock tyres are 29.5 inches tall, legally only a 31 inch is available for upgrade. I went to a 265 70 17 which was 4mm over legal but still far smaller than any of the competitors can have legally.

Towing is a joke, that tow bar is just too far away from the rear axle. If you have any decent weight on it that car will be pulled all over the road and pitch quite badly. Most cars having more weight on the tow ball actually settles them but with a Triton it makes it far worse. Fuel economy is horrendous with a trailer or a caravan, my 8 by 5 cage trailer when doing rubbish removal on a job ends up sending the fuel gauge up to about 20 l per hundred,

Mine was a riddle with electrical faults and the whole time I owned at the wipers only worked sometimes and then only slowly Mitsubishi couldn't fix it and pretended it didn't even exist even though there's much evidence to support it.

I could go on for days but in short if you're looking for a good value a Triton will not present good value it might be cheap but it is rubbish.
 
Mine was a 2017 exceed with lots done to it. My Uncle had the previous generation for eleven years without a fault even though they're said to be rather rubbish too.

With the current shape there are quite a few of us with issues and quite a few of us who found they are very very under-performing once they have any weight at all. Then you have to consider front suspension design for example being very limited for lift and the fact that as soon as you move away from stock tyres the ride can become unbearable. Mine had so much kickback on expansion joints it would hurt your wrists and I only ran 34psi in the front tyres to soften it, my local suspension specialist actually wanted to send the struts in for testing because he couldn't believe the new model had so much feedback in the steering. Unfortunately, my friend also bought one and once you change tyres, hang a bullbar and winch off the front the rides horrible.

Stock tyres are 29.5 inches tall, legally only a 31 inch is available for upgrade. I went to a 265 70 17 which was 4mm over legal but still far smaller than any of the competitors can have legally.

Towing is a joke, that tow bar is just too far away from the rear axle. If you have any decent weight on it that car will be pulled all over the road and pitch quite badly. Most cars having more weight on the tow ball actually settles them but with a Triton it makes it far worse. Fuel economy is horrendous with a trailer or a caravan, my 8 by 5 cage trailer when doing rubbish removal on a job ends up sending the fuel gauge up to about 20 l per hundred,

Mine was a riddle with electrical faults and the whole time I owned at the wipers only worked sometimes and then only slowly Mitsubishi couldn't fix it and pretended it didn't even exist even though there's much evidence to support it.

I could go on for days but in short if you're looking for a good value a Triton will not present good value it might be cheap but it is rubbish.

Sounds like what has happened to many 4WDs - in attempt to make them more road/city friendly, they've fooked them for any real work.

What about the older models - 2012/13-ish. Most of what I've read about them is not too drastic?
 

CaptainBanana

Well-Known Member
Sounds like what has happened to many 4WDs - in attempt to make them more road/city friendly, they've fooked them for any real work.

What about the older models - 2012/13-ish. Most of what I've read about them is not too drastic?

The old ones make even less power and have some pretty large recalls including for engine failures I would do your homework before buying any Triton and I wouldn't rely on The testamonials of the 20 year olds who are raving about them.
 
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