Jason Watt
Well-Known Member
Common sense isn't as common as it used to be.
Blame the Internuff.
Blame the Internuff.
The towing thread
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Aaron Schubert
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Jason Watt
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'Tards lead to "tardyness".
Darwin theory in motion.
I wish I could tow ala "B-Double" but I have more respect for other road users not to.
Kudos to legit B-Double drivers - it's an "art form" to those good at it.
Darwin theory in motion.
I wish I could tow ala "B-Double" but I have more respect for other road users not to.
Kudos to legit B-Double drivers - it's an "art form" to those good at it.
dno67
Well-Known Member
Have a read here.
http://www.candm.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15721
Shame the link to the Mildura papers unavailable, from memory
it also got a write up in the weekly times.
http://www.candm.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15721
Shame the link to the Mildura papers unavailable, from memory
it also got a write up in the weekly times.
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Jason Watt
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A workmate of mine recently delivered a generator from Morwell to the docks in Melbourne on it's way to Germany for a refurb.
168 metres long. Four Prime movers push/pulling.
It kinda makes our 4by recoes pale into insignificance...
Just saying.
168 metres long. Four Prime movers push/pulling.
It kinda makes our 4by recoes pale into insignificance...
Just saying.
dno67
Well-Known Member
This would be the gen.
dno67
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shanegtr
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My uncle drives road trains for a living and had a work mate who attempeted to get a "mini road train" built legally. Was looking at an F-250 with a fith wheel caravan and custom made dolly and boat trailer - essentially would have been the same setup as a road train, just smaller. Couldnt get it approved apparently.
Jason Watt
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That's the rig.
Pretty sure that's my mate standing near the genny on the left of picture.
dno67
Well-Known Member
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The coroner said his suggestions included changes to the driver training to include towing techniques and regulations, perhaps even making the towing of loads greater than a light trailer a licence endorsement requiring competency testing, adding this type of ‘accident’ to the TAC ‘scenario’ advertisements.
EARLIER: CORONER Audrey Jamieson has recommended the TAC and VicRoads consider a public awareness campaign highlighting the dangers of towing an overloaded trailer following a fatal crash at Runnymede.
In her findings into the crash on December 16, 2016, the coroner also recommended the authorities consider any changes to driver licensing training that might include towing techniques.
Leongatha resident Jennifer May Teague died of injuries she sustained as a passenger in one of two vehicles involved in the crash.
The car in which she was travelling – a 2011 Volkswagen Jetta sedan – was bound for Echuca for a family Christmas gathering.
Her brother, John Teague, and his wife, Jeanette Teague, were also in the vehicle when the crash occurred.
The second vehicle in the collision was a 2014 Toyota Landcruiser Prado, which contained five passengers under the age of 16.
The Prado was towing a twin axle tandem trailer containing a Toyota Hilux, a three-wheeled motorbike, a large metal toolbox and two red gum sleepers.
According to the coroner, driver of the Prado – Kerrie Dehne – encountered difficulty after the vehicle’s steering wheel started to ‘shudder and shake’ while crossing Mt Pleasant bridge about 3.10pm.
The Prado crossed into the lane of oncoming traffic, narrowly avoiding a truck.
“Jeanette [the driver of the Jetta] was approaching the bridge when she saw the Prado coming from the opposite direction,” the coroner wrote in her findings.
“She noticed that the trailer was ‘fish tailing’ as the Prado passed the truck, and so she slowed down.
“Suddenly, the Prado swerved in front of the Jetta.”
Emergency services attend the fatal crash on the Northern Highway at Runnymede. Picture: GLENN DANIELS
Ms Jamieson found that Jeanette had no time to avoid a collision.
“The Jetta struck the Prado heavily on the passenger side,” her findings said.
“The trailer and load disconnected from the Prado due to the force of the collision and rolled into and over the Jetta, causing the Jetta to flip onto its roof.
“The Prado continued off the western side of the road and onto the grassy verge, where its driver’s side struck a large gum tree.
“The Hilux came off the trailer and rolled several times before coming to rest on its roof on the western side of the road, while the trailer flipped and landed upside down on the eastern side of the road.”
Jennifer died at the scene, having sustained multiple injuries.
She was 68 years old.
More here.
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.a...education-on-trailer-loads-towing-techniques/
The coroner said his suggestions included changes to the driver training to include towing techniques and regulations, perhaps even making the towing of loads greater than a light trailer a licence endorsement requiring competency testing, adding this type of ‘accident’ to the TAC ‘scenario’ advertisements.
EARLIER: CORONER Audrey Jamieson has recommended the TAC and VicRoads consider a public awareness campaign highlighting the dangers of towing an overloaded trailer following a fatal crash at Runnymede.
In her findings into the crash on December 16, 2016, the coroner also recommended the authorities consider any changes to driver licensing training that might include towing techniques.
Leongatha resident Jennifer May Teague died of injuries she sustained as a passenger in one of two vehicles involved in the crash.
The car in which she was travelling – a 2011 Volkswagen Jetta sedan – was bound for Echuca for a family Christmas gathering.
Her brother, John Teague, and his wife, Jeanette Teague, were also in the vehicle when the crash occurred.
The second vehicle in the collision was a 2014 Toyota Landcruiser Prado, which contained five passengers under the age of 16.
The Prado was towing a twin axle tandem trailer containing a Toyota Hilux, a three-wheeled motorbike, a large metal toolbox and two red gum sleepers.
According to the coroner, driver of the Prado – Kerrie Dehne – encountered difficulty after the vehicle’s steering wheel started to ‘shudder and shake’ while crossing Mt Pleasant bridge about 3.10pm.
The Prado crossed into the lane of oncoming traffic, narrowly avoiding a truck.
“Jeanette [the driver of the Jetta] was approaching the bridge when she saw the Prado coming from the opposite direction,” the coroner wrote in her findings.
“She noticed that the trailer was ‘fish tailing’ as the Prado passed the truck, and so she slowed down.
“Suddenly, the Prado swerved in front of the Jetta.”
Emergency services attend the fatal crash on the Northern Highway at Runnymede. Picture: GLENN DANIELS
Ms Jamieson found that Jeanette had no time to avoid a collision.
“The Jetta struck the Prado heavily on the passenger side,” her findings said.
“The trailer and load disconnected from the Prado due to the force of the collision and rolled into and over the Jetta, causing the Jetta to flip onto its roof.
“The Prado continued off the western side of the road and onto the grassy verge, where its driver’s side struck a large gum tree.
“The Hilux came off the trailer and rolled several times before coming to rest on its roof on the western side of the road, while the trailer flipped and landed upside down on the eastern side of the road.”
Jennifer died at the scene, having sustained multiple injuries.
She was 68 years old.
More here.
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.a...education-on-trailer-loads-towing-techniques/
rogerazz
4x4 Earth Contributer
It is obvious to me that age is not the criteria here. Medical health, licence qualifications, experience, common sense, read common sense, is what is needed.
I have towed trailers and many caravans right up to 30ft for over fifty years and |I still see some scary stuff out there. I have seen many people who have no bloody idea of highway speed, approaching distances, road conditions, surfaces, weather, etc.. Two vehicles approaching each other at 100 k's = 200 k's head on.
The other thing is many drivers reckon their U beaut vehicle can ride on water because of their U beat safety options, braking systems, , stability controls, etc. and don't use much common sense.
Yep. if it says drive at 100-130 k's, lets do it because we can, that gets us there quicker, we can do longer distances, we don't have much time to do it in, and our vehicle is a late model U beaut , can do anything vehicle.
I wonder how many old vehicles towing, are actually involved in these massive crashes today? Yep, we could throw in the stats people who will tell us not as many old vehicles.
I reckon nothing like a V8 turbo with hopefully a couple of hundred kilowatts or more and can pull at least three and a half, maybe soon four tons, and can tow our U beaut three + ton caravan with the missus and all the kids and the dog and all the gear, all wrongly weight distributed, is real cool.
I always wished I was a Highway Patrol Cop, boy there would not be much of anything left on the roads today..
If policing towing was fair dinkum I reckon over fifty maybe more like 60 to 70 % would be thrown off our roads.
I have towed trailers and many caravans right up to 30ft for over fifty years and |I still see some scary stuff out there. I have seen many people who have no bloody idea of highway speed, approaching distances, road conditions, surfaces, weather, etc.. Two vehicles approaching each other at 100 k's = 200 k's head on
.The other thing is many drivers reckon their U beaut vehicle can ride on water because of their U beat safety options, braking systems, , stability controls, etc. and don't use much common sense.
Yep. if it says drive at 100-130 k's, lets do it because we can, that gets us there quicker, we can do longer distances, we don't have much time to do it in, and our vehicle is a late model U beaut , can do anything vehicle
.I wonder how many old vehicles towing, are actually involved in these massive crashes today? Yep, we could throw in the stats people who will tell us not as many old vehicles.
I reckon nothing like a V8 turbo with hopefully a couple of hundred kilowatts or more and can pull at least three and a half, maybe soon four tons, and can tow our U beaut three + ton caravan with the missus and all the kids and the dog and all the gear, all wrongly weight distributed, is real cool
.I always wished I was a Highway Patrol Cop, boy there would not be much of anything left on the roads today.
.If policing towing was fair dinkum I reckon over fifty maybe more like 60 to 70 % would be thrown off our roads.
Swaggie
Moderator
The other thing is many drivers reckon their U beaut vehicle can ride on water because of their U beat safety options, braking systems, , stability controls, etc. and don't use much common sense.
Yep. if it says drive at 100-130 k's, lets do it because we can, that gets us there quicker, we can do longer distances, we don't have much time to do it in, and our vehicle is a late model U beaut , can do anything vehicle
I tend to agree mate, false sense of security especially with little to no experience..
Speed and weight is a killer combination without all the rest, tired, not concentrating etc.
barcher
Well-Known Member
No more GCM Upgrades on new vehicles
https://mr4x4.com.au/no-gcm-upgrades-new-vehicles/
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https://mr4x4.com.au/no-gcm-upgrades-new-vehicles/
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Mick_Marsh
Active Member
Now it's starting to make sense.
No more GCM upgrades on "new" vehicles.
dno67
Well-Known Member
Face book story on a motor home loosing a towed behind Suzuki vitara.
Clayton’s Maryborough Depot recovered this new Suzuki that seperated from a motorhome it was being towed behind, crashing into a house. Lucky no injuries.
This may be a one off, (though we have heard of other alleged issues similar to this on later model set ups), we would recommend if you have one, to have it inspected at regular intervals for peace of mind.
https://m.facebook.com/Claytonstowi...838441/?type=3&source=48&refid=52&__tn__=EH-R
Clayton’s Maryborough Depot recovered this new Suzuki that seperated from a motorhome it was being towed behind, crashing into a house. Lucky no injuries.
This may be a one off, (though we have heard of other alleged issues similar to this on later model set ups), we would recommend if you have one, to have it inspected at regular intervals for peace of mind.
https://m.facebook.com/Claytonstowi...838441/?type=3&source=48&refid=52&__tn__=EH-R
rogerazz
4x4 Earth Contributer
Actually, while in St. Helens Caravan Park in Tassie last March I went and spoke to a bloke driving a big Campervan and towing a vehicle behind it. I wanted to learn what it all entails. That is weight, control, safety, etc. etc. so that I may be more informed because I love motoring, always have. Do you know what? The bloke said he could not explain much to me when I asked about the braking system, ability to control, tow and view the vehicle while driving, etc.etc. He just said he hooks it up and it goes well .
How come he does not have to have any competent and legal driving ability to do this?
So I guess there are hundreds of these coming at me on the road when I travel. So much for driving a car with great safety options today. How about we work on a developing a "Driver Safety Options" where everyone has to have a special license to do this stuff.
And by the way, over many years now I have advocated that every human being in Australia, has to have a defensive and advanced driving certificate before they can hold a driver's license. And I go further than that and advocate that every human being in Australia who holds a driving license must sit a driving test every five years. Yep. every five years. It may get rid of a few oldies but I reckon it would get rid of a lot of idiots I see on the road every day.
.How come he does not have to have any competent and legal driving ability to do this?
So I guess there are hundreds of these coming at me on the road when I travel. So much for driving a car with great safety options today. How about we work on a developing a "Driver Safety Options" where everyone has to have a special license to do this stuff.
And by the way, over many years now I have advocated that every human being in Australia, has to have a defensive and advanced driving certificate before they can hold a driver's license. And I go further than that and advocate that every human being in Australia who holds a driving license must sit a driving test every five years. Yep. every five years. It may get rid of a few oldies but I reckon it would get rid of a lot of idiots I see on the road every day.