Sealed alternators for 70 series. School me.

[joshinthecity]

Tell me what you know ?
I'm planning my "bulletproof Build" on a 2021 76. and this is right at the top of my list

What I know: They seem bloody expensive.

Begin..

j.

 

[joshinthecity]

Oh.. and yes. I have actually bought the truck. Just waiting for a build slot and then delivery.
This is not hypothetical dreaming wish-list kind of stuff.
Cheers,
josh.

 

[Lost1?]

There is a mob in Brisbane called EMS who do that sort of thing. Check them out online.

 

[Albynsw]

Firstly do you need one or just assume you do? Not trying to be smart but very few people have alternator issues ( I don’t know any)
What sort of terrain do you plan to use it in?

 

[joshinthecity]

Firstly do you need one or just assume you do? Not trying to be smart but very few people have alternator issues ( I don’t know any)
What sort of terrain do you plan to use it in?

A reasonable question Alby.
1: Yes, I need one. A lot of my travels will be solo. I can't have a situation where I am stopped by an alternator. If you've done a lot of solo, you will know that the less you have to worry about, the better. It's like a winch I guess. I don't really want to use it, but I sure as hell will have it.
2: Every terrain available in Oz really.. Predominantly east coast / south east / Tas. There will be water crossings + mud. There will also be trips deep into the west (these will not be solo)

Cheers,

 

[joshinthecity]

There is a mob in Brisbane called EMS who do that sort of thing. Check them out online.

Thanks Lost.
I'll check them out. I was looking at Perth Diesel Performance. This is pretty big $ + installation / plumbing to cooling system etc. Like Alby implied, you really need to want it I think.

Sealed Water Cooled Brushless Alternator | 70 Series VDJ

In Stock The PDPSA70B water-cooled alternator is designed for prolonged service in extremely dusty, wet and corrosive environments. The alternator components are completely sealed in IP68 rated housings. The alternator is water-cooled by connection to the engine coolant system. The alternator...

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[joshinthecity]

 

[joshinthecity]

 

[Albynsw]

Thanks Lost.
I'll check them out. I was looking at Perth Diesel Performance. This is pretty big $ + installation / plumbing to cooling system etc. Like Alby implied, you really need to want it I think.

Sealed Water Cooled Brushless Alternator | 70 Series VDJ

In Stock The PDPSA70B water-cooled alternator is designed for prolonged service in extremely dusty, wet and corrosive environments. The alternator components are completely sealed in IP68 rated housings. The alternator is water-cooled by connection to the engine coolant system. The alternator...

perthdiesel.store

The warranty seems pretty average for such an expensive piece of kit ?

If you haven’t already, it is worth your while checking out LCOOL forum for technical info.

 

[Albynsw]

A reasonable question Alby.
1: Yes, I need one. A lot of my travels will be solo. I can't have a situation where I am stopped by an alternator. If you've done a lot of solo, you will know that the less you have to worry about, the better. It's like a winch I guess. I don't really want to use it, but I sure as hell will have it.
2: Every terrain available in Oz really.. Predominantly east coast / south east / Tas. There will be water crossings + mud. There will also be trips deep into the west (these will not be solo)

Cheers,

Nice, what other mods are you planning to do? I have a new 79 on order to replace my current one so going through the same process

 

[Lost1?]

If you plan on fording or doing a bit of mud running in your cruiser it is a worthwhile exercise. If you don't plan to do either you may be spending cash that could be put to better use elsewhere.

 

[joshinthecity]

Nice, what other mods are you planning to do? I have a new 79 on order to replace my current one so going through the same process

oh. no. That's the question I could wright pages on.

Actually, contrary to what I have done before (the wisdom of experience ?) the answer is, as little as I can get away with.
The list of stuff I'll be doing straight away, is quite short. I've learnt that throwing money / accessories at a build early-on because you think you NEED stuff. Is a mistake. So I'll be starting light. Using the truck. And only adding what I KNOW I need. Rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it and then discovering things aren't quite right.. Slow and steady, builds the right truck in the end.

Stuff I'll be doing kinda quickly, in no real order.
Wheels: Kings: Sunrasia style. Black 16 x 8 (0 offset at the front, -25mm offset at the rear)
Tyres: Cooper ST Maxx
Sealed Alternator (to be confirmed)
Bullbar: (to be confirmed) exploring some interesting options.
Sliders: Custom.
Winch: Probably Runva 13XP 13,000 lb.
Snork: Safari Armax 4-inch
Pre-cleaner: Donaldson full view cyclonic.
Catch-Can: Provent.

There will be suspension, upper and lower consoles, exhaust, radio, electric, fridge (will be Engel) storage, brakes etc etc to come. But I'm going to go slow on this build. Do it right the first time.

That's the short answer to a big question Alby

 

[joshinthecity]

If you plan on fording or doing a bit of mud running in your cruiser it is a worthwhile exercise. If you don't plan to do either you may be spending cash that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Totally agree with this. Regular river / creek crossings and mud. Unavoidable (and part of the fun, no? ) on the East Coast of Australia

 

[Albynsw]

oh. no. That's the question I could wright pages on.

Actually, contrary to what I have done before (the wisdom of experience ?) the answer is, as little as I can get away with.
The list of stuff I'll be doing straight away, is quite short. I've learnt that throwing money / accessories at a build early-on because you think you NEED stuff. Is a mistake. So I'll be starting light. Using the truck. And only adding what I KNOW I need. Rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it and then discovering things aren't quite right.. Slow and steady, builds the right truck in the end.

Stuff I'll be doing kinda quickly, in no real order.
Wheels: Kings: Sunrasia style. Black 16 x 8 (0 offset at the front, -25mm offset at the rear)
Tyres: Cooper ST Maxx
Sealed Alternator (to be confirmed)
Bullbar: (to be confirmed) exploring some interesting options.
Sliders: Custom.
Winch: Probably Runva 13XP 13,000 lb.
Snork: Safari Armax 4-inch
Pre-cleaner: Donaldson full view cyclonic.
Catch-Can: Provent.

There will be suspension, upper and lower consoles, exhaust, radio, electric, fridge (will be Engel) storage, brakes etc etc to come. But I'm going to go slow on this build. Do it right the first time.

That's the short answer to a big question Alby

I would be adding a secondary fuel filter to your list as a must have

 

[joshinthecity]

I would be adding a secondary fuel filter to your list as a must have

Right-you-are. I forgot to add it in the post, but it's definitely in my mental list.
Good pick-up

 

[boobook]

But I'm going to go slow on this build. Do it right the first time.

Good idea.

 

[Gavo]

From what I've seen over years, it's usually the weekend wild warrior that has any drama with alternator. You the guy who insists on driving the deepest part of every puddle just for the fun.
Usually, just whipping the brushes out and cleaning them will sort it. Spare brushes are cheap as chips. Actually, whole spare alternator really isn't that exxy.
While I'll admit it's definitely low down, mine has yet to cause a problem.
I'm not sure i would want the extra complication on the cooling system for the rare chance of an alternator failure...

 

[Albynsw]

I have put over 250,000 k on mine, a lot of that is touring and off-road and haven’t had a drama either, I don’t go looking for trouble but will take on what I have to to get where I am going

 

[boobook]

I'm in the school that the alternator thing has been totally over blown in forums by people who have no real experience with it.
I get why you have concerns travelling by yourself. But you can buy a spare brush set for $40 to get it working or just wash it out.

It can stop you, but it's a very rare issue except maybe in mines.

Honestly PDP sell.lots of things that are expensive and don't fix anything. Like the fan intercooler which makes things worse for $2000

 

[cookie64]

I have travelled to a lot of places in the 200GX predominantly as a solo vehicle and never had any issues with my alternator(s), this includes in the Simpson through floodwaters, swamp water in the Kimberley, many river crossings in the High Country - Kingswell Bridge, Junction Crossing including the deep section (missed the 2 part crossing one day), Crooked River, Jacksons Crossing.

Being honest though, I don't look to go bathing in dirty shitty waters with my 4wd as, like you, I do a lot of solo travel and need it to be reliable which is why mechanically & electronically it is stock standard and try and tee the services up just before I set off on a trip.

I was initially worried about the alternator and bought a "marinised" unit from a chap that did them for mine vehicles, still have it in the shed in original packing never used, taken on a trip once and just carried around additional weight for a few weeks. Everyone I know with a 70 series have never had an issue.

cheers