tankbloke
4x4 Earth Contributer
Likewise, bagging this site for no valid reason is not adding anything useful
posting track names, not smart
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Likewise, bagging this site for no valid reason is not adding anything useful
tankbloke
4x4 Earth Contributer
Ok sounds like a plan
Point taken about SA tracks and I guess most other states are spoiled for choice in comparison.I really don't know what can be done about it, but I'm not sure blaming sites like this will change anything.It's unfortunate that dickheads are spoiling it for you guys but what to do......
Alien d2
4x4 Earth Contributer
So whats the idea?
I post that I'm going to SA on holidays, pick a meeting spot,say a pub some where.
Hope that some locals show and give me "their" track info
Spend another day looking for maps and then on day 3 go have a play????
Not quite what this site is all about eh.
The 5 "P's" (Prior Preperation Prevents Pethetic Performance) come to mind
If the main reason tracks close is from abuse whats the solution?
4b's are now more accessable to the general population and this is the price we all end up paying,
You can only teach those who want to be taught.
Hoon laws may be the answer...
Not much diference spining your wheels on the road or in a bog hole
But do we want waste police resorces chasing us in the bush?
Tread lightly is good idea to me, but there is a draw back.
Most 4wd clubs abide by the idea but there is a lot of people who don't join them so they can "abuse" the tracks.
I KNOW..Now that I own a 4b why don't we price them out of the market by putting a tax of say 50% on them.
Then none of us will upgrade, the riff raff won't buy them and we will all be happy
Ahh the joys of modern society
I post that I'm going to SA on holidays, pick a meeting spot,say a pub some where.
Hope that some locals show and give me "their" track info
Spend another day looking for maps and then on day 3 go have a play????
Not quite what this site is all about eh.
The 5 "P's" (Prior Preperation Prevents Pethetic Performance) come to mind
If the main reason tracks close is from abuse whats the solution?
4b's are now more accessable to the general population and this is the price we all end up paying,
You can only teach those who want to be taught.
Hoon laws may be the answer...
Not much diference spining your wheels on the road or in a bog hole
But do we want waste police resorces chasing us in the bush?
Tread lightly is good idea to me, but there is a draw back.
Most 4wd clubs abide by the idea but there is a lot of people who don't join them so they can "abuse" the tracks.
I KNOW..Now that I own a 4b why don't we price them out of the market by putting a tax of say 50% on them.
Then none of us will upgrade, the riff raff won't buy them and we will all be happy
Ahh the joys of modern society
the solution is simple, don't post track names & exact locations on the internet, PM's work wonders.
ChallengeLee
Moderator
Then we might as well close the whole website....as what your suggesting will totally defeat the purpose of why it was created.
Ohh yes l can see your whole point to this thread but your also not seeing that it is generally a minority that trashes tracks and l'm not disputing that it is getting worse but there is to my thinking more of a majority that does the right thing.
So lets not take away every opportunity for everyone to get out there and enjoy new places.
ChallengeLee
Moderator
This whole 4x4earth idea is wrong, any redneck hillbilly cowboy in a 4wd can do a quick search on this forum without even registering, go out in his 4wd & trash any of these track in Australia with out a care in the world & lets face it the 4wding community is only getting bigger & this website is doing no favours to the real enthusiasts.
All of the accessible tracks listed in Adelaide are now getting thrashed due to every man & his dog posting them on this forum... years ago it was only word of mouth & there was no issues with tracks getting damaged & being locked down. The number of tracks that have been shut down over the last couple of years is depressing & it's only going to get worse...
Anyone who heads out to a lot of the tracks listed in Adelaide... be warned that your number plates & vehicle details are being recorded, some tracks are for emergency vehicles only & others are fire tracks/summer tracks. The gates at a certain "Black Diamond" hill climb in the hills are due to be locked this winter.
Thanks 4x4earth for putting the only tracks in Adelaide under the spot light.....
Gotta love the laying the blame on the web site itself, have you ever thought to look at the education of the drivers, maybe your state needs to look at that side of it, maybe you need to take a chill pill and think about being proactive in your state to help combat the amount of hoons you have with 4wdrives.
There is a whole bigger picture to this and this forum is but a small drop in the ocean and certainly can't take the blame for creating the lack of care factor for the environment some of the people in your state have.
"hh yes l can see your whole point to this thread but your also not seeing that it is generally a minority that trashes tracks and l'm not disputing that it is getting worse but there is to my thinking more of a majority that does the right thing."
thats entirely 100% correct. its the minority that ruins it for everyone.
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and you say that 4x4 earth is a drop in the ocean in terms of the problem. Why egg the problem on, at all?
yyou guys cant seem to see past the argument, rather than have a discussion about the issue.
in 5 yrs time you'll be wondering why theres no where to go driving
thats entirely 100% correct. its the minority that ruins it for everyone.
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and you say that 4x4 earth is a drop in the ocean in terms of the problem. Why egg the problem on, at all?
yyou guys cant seem to see past the argument, rather than have a discussion about the issue.
in 5 yrs time you'll be wondering why theres no where to go driving
atari4x4 a quick question for you, have you never looked up the location of a track on 4x4 earth or another website.
I have to admit though all you arguments are "sound"
just sound,
that doesn't make any sense,
you dont want to post track names then don't,
no, i do the miles & have the local knowledge + the book of maps that i've marked out over the years, for you information today was my first time on this website after a discussion on another fourm & i am shocked at what i found.
any smart local council would use this website as a guide to track closure in their area.
i have no drama's in sharing track location's, i have a problem with smearing them all over the internet with exact locations & names.
Patriot
Administrator
Hey Atari4x4 and Slowlux,
It is interesting to hear these arguments, because these where the arguments that we heard when we started and we stated as the reasons why our little website would never prosper. We now have over 8,000 members and have 50,000 visits to the website each month. There is a large demand for people to be able to find places to take their 4WD, both newbies looking for their first track and experienced drivers looking for a good experience when they explore new regions and states.
If you haven't noticed, the whole website is based on the National 4WD Tracks Database, so it is not likely to happen that we will stop publishing publicly available tracks in the database. It makes it extremely difficult for new drivers to find tracks that are appropriate to their vehicle and skill level.
I note that both of you have joined up only this month, so you may not be aware of the amount of effort that we put into creating opportunities for new 4 wheel drivers to go out and enjoy tracks with drivers who are experienced and able to show them the ropes.
Whilst on the face of it keeping the tracks secret seems like a good idea, I believe that it is in the long term self defeating for the 4WD movement as the more people that there are who have had a positive experience in their 4WD means the more ability we will have to stop closures and then to start about track openings.
Cheers,
James
It is interesting to hear these arguments, because these where the arguments that we heard when we started and we stated as the reasons why our little website would never prosper. We now have over 8,000 members and have 50,000 visits to the website each month. There is a large demand for people to be able to find places to take their 4WD, both newbies looking for their first track and experienced drivers looking for a good experience when they explore new regions and states.
If you haven't noticed, the whole website is based on the National 4WD Tracks Database, so it is not likely to happen that we will stop publishing publicly available tracks in the database. It makes it extremely difficult for new drivers to find tracks that are appropriate to their vehicle and skill level.
I note that both of you have joined up only this month, so you may not be aware of the amount of effort that we put into creating opportunities for new 4 wheel drivers to go out and enjoy tracks with drivers who are experienced and able to show them the ropes.
Whilst on the face of it keeping the tracks secret seems like a good idea, I believe that it is in the long term self defeating for the 4WD movement as the more people that there are who have had a positive experience in their 4WD means the more ability we will have to stop closures and then to start about track openings.
Cheers,
James
The Main reason i joined this site/forum is to find new tracks to explore, i was able to find how difficult they were, what obstacles id come across, ect ect. imagine finding yourself down the bottom of a track with no winch and there is no possibility of traction to get out... you then say to yourself, i knew i should have jumped on the site and checked up on it first! theres more to this site then just posting tracks, names and locations!
this site has absolutely nothing to do with the tracks geting ripped up or whatever. i bet you ya left nut that only a small majority of members would be the traffic on your sacred secret tracks. if you want to stop the idiots going on the tracks, target the idiots directly, dont blame the innocent.
this site has absolutely nothing to do with the tracks geting ripped up or whatever. i bet you ya left nut that only a small majority of members would be the traffic on your sacred secret tracks. if you want to stop the idiots going on the tracks, target the idiots directly, dont blame the innocent.
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Big Rig
4x4 Earth Contributer
Totally agree with you Patriot ... I have posted many tracks both here in QLD and in Vic. The tracks I post in my local area attract a great many forum members AND the people I have met out on these tracks I have also introduced to the forum. The way I see it, the more members that we have out there "patrolling" our tracks and doing the right thing should technically be able to assist in the preservation of our valued tracks and hopefully the training or re-training of the so called hoons.
Grumpy
Moderator
After reading this thread I wonder if there is any proof this site has caused the closure of such tracks, if some think that these tracks would never have been found they are obviously kidding themselves as you can bet they are all marked on maps and the Police, forestry and state fire brigades all have copies of these along with many others. These closures would more than likely have happened regardless of weather they are on here or not as the main reason a lot of these tracks are closed is due to the lack of state forestry workers to maintain them so it becomes an easier option to gate them.
Just another view on the closures
Just another view on the closures
Coles Crossing - 4x4 Earth Australia for 4WD Tracks
Theres one example of a very popular track that got highly abused and then subsequently closed. This track was only short, few hundred metres long on the boundary fence of a nat park which had also been closed a few years prior due to 4wd abuse. i watched as the track became known on forums and the internet and saw pictures of abuse, then a while after i noticed it had come up on this forum aswell with a map, exact directions, gps etc and then not long after it was closed.
jack48
Active Member
If you do not ENJOY the site for the reason it is here, TRACKS, don't do the one click as you two guys are doing to get on it, you chose to join, no one twisted your arms up your back, it's just like a TV, if you don't like what you see switch it off.
There are plenty of us who ENJOY the knowledge of others and their experiences of new or different areas, most of us responsible law abiding citizens who like to see the countryside before it was destroyed by civilization, ie lots of people, want to get out there and look and play without hurting others or the environment. maybe SA people are different????????
There are plenty of us who ENJOY the knowledge of others and their experiences of new or different areas, most of us responsible law abiding citizens who like to see the countryside before it was destroyed by civilization, ie lots of people, want to get out there and look and play without hurting others or the environment. maybe SA people are different????????
its not a matter of us not enjoying the site, its the fact that theres a big list of tracks there for everyone to see. sure, i can see the positives for a new person to 4x4 not knowing a thing. but i think its not at all helping in keeping tracks open.
Anybody can see this information, local police, an angry local, greenie after revenge. aand anybody can use this information, as stated before it could be handed in to local councils or pissed offf whover and be used to aid in the process of track closures. right there, a big list for them, how easy is that!
Anybody can see this information, local police, an angry local, greenie after revenge. aand anybody can use this information, as stated before it could be handed in to local councils or pissed offf whover and be used to aid in the process of track closures. right there, a big list for them, how easy is that!
baldman
Member
Ok do me a favour. explain to me why the tracks that I use that are listed on this forum are still open and have been open for the past 2 years.
And can you also explain to me the fact that your super secret non forum listed tracks are being closed down.
It leasds me to ask what the hell are you doing on those tracks to get them closed down.
And in reference to your statement of doing the miles, well buddy this whole forum is testament to a great bunch of wheelers that have done the hard miles, put their own rigs at risk and helped make wheeling safer and more enjoyable to others.
Alien d2
4x4 Earth Contributer
So do I read your post right?
You actually admit that your driving on council land and are complaining when they shut/lock the area that you shouldn't be on in the first place
Hard to get local knowledge when your visiting an area, thats what makes this site usefull
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