New vs Old vehicles - your choice and why?

Bru9

Active Member
Second Hand. Because about 10 years of real touring or even general camping in even a brand new 100K 4wd will be a moneypit, and as I tend to say life is well & truly too short for that pathetic crap. Cheap 2nd hand Petrol will go 200K or 10years before wreakers, buy another cheapy & repeat. But many won't understand because they work & go away once a year if there lucky & so they can get away with alot more years. Heck some ride around in the suburbs with 30year+ Patrols etc.
My philosophy in life with 4wds is, if you can't buy one on a whim with lunch money you can't afford it! Even retired people I know had to slave their life for that nice rig, & for what??? They are unhappy in life, ha ha ha.... Should have thought less about the destination...
So that is why I got a Gen 3 Pajero which imo will go down in history as the best value for buck 4wd ever. 10grand with 190,000km vs 20grand+ for same mileage petrol Patrol vs 30grand same milage petrol 100series, and driven by mums, not ex tourers who thrashed the hell out of it. Fantastic that Pajeros dont hold their value, love that thank you people so much. Also there is a reason I spent roughly 10K on my 4wd, so I could actually spend money on a good setup. Like 10K for electrix, 5K for RTT, BIG bucks on diy camping gear that yields real pleasure while outdoors, not many can claim to have a large ss sink with running water, dish rack, RV washing machine, two gensets etc etc, sooo many people buy these new 4wds & cheap out on the eletrix, ask questions like "are these cheap lithiums good?" You know they can't afford them when the blabber on about fuel consumption, just look at the threads. I have never once gave fuel economy any thought. Again in my book if your concerned about fuel economy you really can't afford it plain & simple.
However I don't see the logic in buying high value 2nd hand, to me that is truly nuts, just work a bit harder & get a brand new 70series, why risk it for 10-15K??? have a look at how many drive their trucks like they stole it. It makes me cringe really, again pajero doesn't have this problem.

Given I'm a perfectionist, I could never live with my self spending that amount of money for a vehicle that isn't made of stainless, comes with orange peel, OMG i saw a guy with a 150K holden & it has orange peel!!! He was completely oblivious to it, yet to me it stood out like dogs balls. I see every new 4wd with orange peel at the lights. The paint jobs if they can even be called that are a disgrace for these grossly inflated cars. For that money I expect the paint job to actually look like a mirror, and don't bother cut n polish, the paint job is screwed up from the layers underneath by the awful technique, the OP is always present & all you will achieve is to thin the paint out making it vulnerable to the elements.


Other reasons:
All the rust that has formed on cars I have seen has been from manufacture design flaw were water was allowed to pool & were paint was applied very thin.
After all these countless decades nobody has actually made second row seating that is large enough for adults.
I don't believe in paying insurance, that is how the man inslaves you.

End of the day for me camping & touring simply don't warrant such money & there is always 10 things better in life to spend it on.
 

Batts88

Well-Known Member
Wow got some issues not in touch with the real world are you mr self procaimed perfectionist your funny in a crazy way ever seen One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest it's a good movie.
 
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CaptainBanana

Well-Known Member
Second Hand. Because about 10 years of real touring or even general camping in even a brand new 100K 4wd will be a moneypit, and as I tend to say life is well & truly too short for that pathetic crap. Cheap 2nd hand Petrol will go 200K or 10years before wreakers, buy another cheapy & repeat. But many won't understand because they work & go away once a year if there lucky & so they can get away with alot more years. Heck some ride around in the suburbs with 30year+ Patrols etc.
My philosophy in life with 4wds is, if you can't buy one on a whim with lunch money you can't afford it! Even retired people I know had to slave their life for that nice rig, & for what??? They are unhappy in life, ha ha ha.... Should have thought less about the destination...
So that is why I got a Gen 3 Pajero which imo will go down in history as the best value for buck 4wd ever. 10grand with 190,000km vs 20grand+ for same mileage petrol Patrol vs 30grand same milage petrol 100series, and driven by mums, not ex tourers who thrashed the hell out of it. Fantastic that Pajeros dont hold their value, love that thank you people so much. Also there is a reason I spent roughly 10K on my 4wd, so I could actually spend money on a good setup. Like 10K for electrix, 5K for RTT, BIG bucks on diy camping gear that yields real pleasure while outdoors, not many can claim to have a large ss sink with running water, dish rack, RV washing machine, two gensets etc etc, sooo many people buy these new 4wds & cheap out on the eletrix, ask questions like "are these cheap lithiums good?" You know they can't afford them when the blabber on about fuel consumption, just look at the threads. I have never once gave fuel economy any thought. Again in my book if your concerned about fuel economy you really can't afford it plain & simple.
However I don't see the logic in buying high value 2nd hand, to me that is truly nuts, just work a bit harder & get a brand new 70series, why risk it for 10-15K??? have a look at how many drive their trucks like they stole it. It makes me cringe really, again pajero doesn't have this problem.

Given I'm a perfectionist, I could never live with my self spending that amount of money for a vehicle that isn't made of stainless, comes with orange peel, OMG i saw a guy with a 150K holden & it has orange peel!!! He was completely oblivious to it, yet to me it stood out like dogs balls. I see every new 4wd with orange peel at the lights. The paint jobs if they can even be called that are a disgrace for these grossly inflated cars. For that money I expect the paint job to actually look like a mirror, and don't bother cut n polish, the paint job is screwed up from the layers underneath by the awful technique, the OP is always present & all you will achieve is to thin the paint out making it vulnerable to the elements.


Other reasons:
All the rust that has formed on cars I have seen has been from manufacture design flaw were water was allowed to pool & were paint was applied very thin.
After all these countless decades nobody has actually made second row seating that is large enough for adults.
I don't believe in paying insurance, that is how the man inslaves you.

End of the day for me camping & touring simply don't warrant such money & there is always 10 things better in life to spend it on.

How many beers did you have at the work Christmas party to come up with all that?

If you can afford a new car want to drive it into the bush that's what you do, your other ramblings are just too much to take in at this time of morning.
 

stevemc181

Well-Known Member
A few years ago I asked the manager at Mt Dare what vehicles he had to recover the most. He said no brand in particular but by far it was older vehicles with + 300,000km’s on them. He said no matter what money they had spent it was still a 300,000 km + vehicle and things break.

I bought my NW Pajero brand new, and have spent close to 20k in mods and accessories, it’s been a great vehicle and is now 8 years old with many off-road km’s under its belt. Now at 152,000km it has recently cost me nearly 4K for a failed engine oil cooler. Today I’ll be dropping the front left CV shaft out to replace a weeping diff seal, but apart from that she’s been pretty much trouble free except for a few shocks/coils etc over the years. I had thought about selling it, but as it is now the wife’s daily and doesn’t do a lot of off-road , it doesn’t make economic sense to replace it yet.

I also bought my GU Patrol brand new nearly 4 years ago, and have spent around 15k on accessories, GVM upgrade etc. It’s been maintained by myself since new. Now it has 70,000km on it and has been trouble free. I also thought recently about selling it, but decided not to, as it does everything I require of it. I’ve decided to keep them both until they begin to cost me more than they are worth.

A new vehicle would require me to modify it to what I want and pay off another loan. I take a slight tax hit by losing out on the depreciation, but am way in front on the financial side of things by keeping the Patrol and Pajero longer.

I’m keeping an eye on the Ineos Grenadier though! It may change my mind in a couple of years time?
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
A few years ago I asked the manager at Mt Dare what vehicles he had to recover the most. He said no brand in particular but by far it was older vehicles with + 300,000km’s on them. He said no matter what money they had spent it was still a 300,000 km + vehicle and things break.

I bought my NW Pajero brand new, and have spent close to 20k in mods and accessories, it’s been a great vehicle and is now 8 years old with many off-road km’s under its belt. Now at 152,000km it has recently cost me nearly 4K for a failed engine oil cooler. Today I’ll be dropping the front left CV shaft out to replace a weeping diff seal, but apart from that she’s been pretty much trouble free except for a few shocks/coils etc over the years. I had thought about selling it, but as it is now the wife’s daily and doesn’t do a lot of off-road , it doesn’t make economic sense to replace it yet.

I also bought my GU Patrol brand new nearly 4 years ago, and have spent around 15k on accessories, GVM upgrade etc. It’s been maintained by myself since new. Now it has 70,000km on it and has been trouble free. I also thought recently about selling it, but decided not to, as it does everything I require of it. I’ve decided to keep them both until they begin to cost me more than they are worth.

A new vehicle would require me to modify it to what I want and pay off another loan. I take a slight tax hit by losing out on the depreciation, but am way in front on the financial side of things by keeping the Patrol and Pajero longer.

I’m keeping an eye on the Ineos Grenadier though! It may change my mind in a couple of years time?

I am much like you, nearly always buy new and use them until I am after a different/ better suited vehicle. I have put 250k on my 79 and at this point if I sold it would only buy the same vehicle again as there is no other viable option and would then have to have another spend on all the vehicle mods to get it to where it is now with little upside so I will hang on to it and plan on doing a big lap this time next year with her
 

smitty_r51

Well-Known Member
Another one here bought new, done up over 10 years as things were needed. New is only expensive if you chop and change every few years.
 

SFA hilux

Active Member
Really depends what you want. I want windows that wind down by hand. Solid axle front. I don’t want to have to wind my window up when I go to the shops, and prefer not to take the keys out of the ignition.
I’m definitely in the old side of this discussion. In saying that, old equals unreliable. On my ute 23 year old ute, everything is past its use by date, consider any rubber part for example.
 

SuperSteve

Member
Honestly, if I could afford a brand new car, and there was something I really loved, i'd absolutely buy a brand new car. That said, by afford I mean buy outright, and there really isn't anything new that I really love.
I don't see the value in a brand new car. A workmate just bought a 3 year old Hilux SR5 for less than half the brand new price. Well under half if you add in the lift, tyres, snorkel, bullbar, UHF, and everything else added after purchase. Even if something goes wrong, is it going to be $30k worth of wrong? Still some big savings.

When we buy our 4wd (hopefully within a month or two!) it's going to be old. Mostly because that's just what we can afford. But at least we can start doing things with whatever we end up with.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
I think buying old is or can be an expensive mistake, but that is assuming by old we are talking about a car that is over 10 years and 200 - 300,000km.
ALL cars are built and designed to last 10 years then they become more expensive to maintain than replace in many cases unless you do all the service and maintenance yourself.
Buy old IF old simplicity suits but to get really simple you have to go back 30 years old, in which case they are constant work and tinkering.
I am lucky to have a 23 year old bush toy and a newer touring 4wd, the old one although reliable is crap on road, crap cornering , crap safety, crap brakes, crap stereo, but cheap to maintain, awesome in the bush and I don't car about pin strips and a few dings when doing technical and hard 4wding.
The new one I bought 3 years old and 30,000km, That saved me about 40k its a awesome car when compared to the old bus and does everything exceptionally well but it is more expensive to maintain, more stuff to go wrong and let me down and I am a lot more cautious about pin strips or damage.
Would I buy brand new? not unless I wanted something very specific in terms of optional features and I could not find it second hand
 

Vibrursan

New Member
My dad used to be the kind of guy who would go for older cars just from principle. Even when he had to buy a new one, he would get a used car for no apparent reason. He used to say that he "doesn't trust new technology and it's all a big scam." Hearing that so frequently during my teenage years made me promise that when I'm older and have my own money, I'll buy all the newest car models on the market. He also didn't believe in car shipment. He used to go to a whole overstate with the bus or plane to get the car himself. That's another reason why I now used the newest car shipment innovation from all kinds of auto transport companies.
 
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G_ute

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Car prices, old and new, have skyrocketed since 2020.
I would love lots of old classic cars, but the prices have become ridiculous.
E.g. old Holdens, even very ordinary Commodores. They would have been left for scrap not long ago.
 

Ol' Harley

Member
I have a 2012 Mitsubishi Triton twin cab diesel. It's got over 300,000 on it (OK, so I get around) and yes, things are starting to break, with a new steering rack having gone in not long ago after a seal blew on a recent trip. It's got a few little rattles, the paintwork isn't perfect, and it's showing some minor imperfections in the body from being off road and the accompanying things like tree stumps, a gully or two and the odd kangaroo...

That said, I'd prefer an older vehicle over some of the newer ones. I much prefer to push a lever to engage 4WD and feel it engage rather than flick a switch or rotate a dial and wonder if it's really locked in. I don't need a lot of the electronics that many of them have. Don't mistake me, they're nice options on the bitumen and simple dirt roads, but it's been my experience that a lot of those electronic options don't like water / dust / vibration. Yes, an older 4WD is more likely to break just with the passage of time (a bit like myself, really) but a newer one has more things that don't cope as well with what being seriously off road hands out.
 

Ol' Harley

Member
A lot of comments about electronics takes me back to when fuel injection first came out, the old and trusted carby is way more reliable….

Ha! Point taken. ;) But I've gotta say, while I'm no whiz as a mechanic, I'd be more prepared to have a crack at fixing a carby on the side of the road than I would a fuel injection system (although in all honesty, I've never had one of those fail on me).

Cheers!
 

oyamum

Active Member
I can safely say I have no issues with modern tech. 1 of my cars is a fully custom built airbagged and turboed hilux minitruck with aftermarket ecu..

so that doesn’t scare me..

but I say I prefer older-ish 4x4s.
i currently own a 98 gu with an rd28..
not modern but not ancient (in my old eyes lol”

but my argument is that with every option, trick, gadget, gimmick drivers aid as good as they are, it’s just 1 more thing that can go wrong..

so I much prefer old and simple when far away from home, but mostly because I’m old and simple lol

but it comes at an expense.
power, comfort, economy
 

shanegtr

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My Disco 3 I would consider is quite hi tech for its time (2005). I've only had 1 electrical issue with it (failed canbus module in the instrument cluster). I've had way more mechanical problems over the years I've owned it.
 

Lost1?

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I chose older tech. 2009 Triton. No driving aids. Cast iron block and head with common rail injection. One of the best factory LSD available in the rear. I am thinking about putting a locker or torsen in the front diff. Haven't decided which yet. I am thinking a locker would be kinder to the CV"s.
 

Rusty Panels

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Just sold my Hi Tech Everest because I'm not confident that it will stand the test of time. Check engine light came on due to a faulty adblue heater. Adblue freezes at -11.5 degrees Celsius so, those in Siberia can drive to work knowing that there is a heater in the tank to prevent freezing. Ford is using the European Bosch system which is ridiculously complicated.
Just bought an immaculate low mileage 2004 HDJ100R. Much less tech to worry about.
 
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