New Defender, observations and opinions of the available information !

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mikehzz

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Does anyone else imagine that James Bond was in the Mazda and there were villains in the Defender, or is it just me?
 
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boobook

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peterfermtech said:
I don't know which would be more embarrassing. Owning a 4WD that never goes bush or owning a dog that needs a ramp to get in and out of the back.
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I think you are asking the wrong question Peter,

For example, you should ask Rebecca Judd. As a brand ambassador, I think she would only dare be seen in Brighton or Toorak.

LR owners answer would be that neither case is embarrassing.

What would be embarrassing is breaking down if you ever did take it bush, so they don't.
 
discomatt

discomatt

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I love being the living proof that so many here talk absolute BS and actually have no clue
Na only kidding, I just love taking the bait but that doesn’t change the BS bit
 
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boobook

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Do your own research LOL. Every housewife with a few kids should own one.

I'm pretty sure Rebecca Judd has 4 kids. Perfect.
 
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boobook

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Some say the Disco 3/4 doesn't snap crackshafts at 80,000 kms.

Well I guess they are right. It's 60,000km.

Body off service at 60,000 km. I love this couple. Even the wife is an expert in the list of LR problems.

 
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shanegtr

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boobook said:
Some say the Disco 3/4 doesn't snap crackshafts at 80,000 kms.

Well I guess they are right. It's 60,000km.

Body off service at 60,000 km. I love this couple. Even the wife is an expert in the list of LR problems.

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And now for Ranger and Everest buyers can experience it also(maybe):D. I guess time will tell if the changes Ford has made to this engine will make a difference to the crank failure issue
 
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boobook

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Oh dear. Dealers walking away, and JLR closing most dealers to leave some profitble ones. Just what you need when you buy a new unreliable 4x4. Dealers and the manufacturer are at war with each other because of the warranty unreliability costs, and not enough people buying them.

80 slashed to under 20 dealers in UK, 395 to about 50 in the US. 25 cut down to about 6 on that basis for Australia. One for each capital city I guess. Or maybe Malvern, Brighton and South Melbourne, then the equivelant in Sydney, then one in Brisbane and Perth.

cardealermagazine.co.uk

Used car dealer closes after 30 years citing 'failing Jaguar Land Rover' models cost it £198,000 – Car Dealer Magazine

Used car dealer Autovogue has closed its doors and blamed 'failing used Jaguar Land Rover vehicles' as one of the main contributors. The business, located
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Jaguar set to slash number of UK dealers to 'under 20' in just TWO YEARS – Car Dealer Magazine

British car manufacturer Jaguar is set to drastically cut its dealer network from more than 80 today to fewer than 20 in just two years. The car
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www.carscoops.com

Jaguar And Land Rover Dealers At War With Automaker Over New Contracts | Carscoops

Dealers in Europe claim their margins are being eroded and are threatening legal action
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Ouch, theyre not even pretending to be a vehicle that people use for 4wding now.
 
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Albynsw

Albynsw

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A shame that see it going this way. Particularly when the market is so favourable for them atm
I saw one of the JLR Sydney dealers has a Ineos sign on the adjoining building so must have taken them on too
 
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boobook

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I guess it explains why the CEO resigned with no notice at xmas "for personal reasons" after only 2 years in the job. And they haven't found a relacement.

If I was CEO I'd fire everyone in engineering and quality. promote Marketing who are the greatest story tellers in the 4wd industry, and get the company to focus on one thing. Making cars that actually work.

Oh, I'd fire every manager that they hired from the fashion industry over the last 2 - 3 years too.
 
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discomatt

discomatt

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Definitely a shame, to have without question the best engineered , most capable out of the factory, best on road capability and best comfort overall to be let down by build quality and reliability to the point of a failing business is tragic.
I haven’t read the linked articles but maybe it’s just a case the same as the banks, just because you have less shopfront to reduce costs it certainty doesn’t mean the company will disappear
You just have to read the numerous post on AULRO about the people who got tired of LR reliability and repair costs so test drove another brand and thought that’s pretty good I will change cars only to go back to LR a year or2 later due to the whole driving experience
As they say you quickly get used to what you drive and think it’s fine but until you have had something better you just don’t know
 
Vesko

Vesko

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discomatt said:
Definitely a shame, to have without question the best engineered , most capable out of the factory, best on road capability and best comfort overall to be let down by build quality and reliability to the point of a failing business is tragic.
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I suspect all of the listed elements above contribute to the difficulty of building such a car. Perhaps we have to resign ourselves to the fact that everything is a compromise: you want a comfortable car full of the leading edge technologies, prepare yourself for glitches. You want something simpler and tougher, well get Toyota or Pajero ;).
 
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