New Defender, observations and opinions of the available information !

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
mmm... I prefer to watch the road not a Scangauge,

Yes the trans temps would show as getting hotter but I wasn't working the vehicle much throughout the day and it was only going up the first dune that the problem arose, Scangauge reported no faults despite going limp
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
Fault readers typically wont tell you if there is a physical issue with the car that will inevitably lead to a significant problem, I have a Scangauge but there is no way that it could tell me about the build up of grass seeds

I think total reliance on looking at the ECU data may well bring some undone particularly in my case.

cheers
Again, I point out, what is this ECU you talk about?
None of my Landrovers have one. Therefore, I am not distracted by ECU data.
I have, in most of tem, a temperature gauge, an oil light and a voltmeter. More than enough information for me.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
mmm... I prefer to watch the road not a Scangauge,

Not entirely true, if you were watching live values you would have seen a difference in trans temps well before it overheated when being worked hard
I'm reminded of the GU 3.0 owners who set up their dashboard like a 747 - 200. In the end they were still grenades. Better to just get something reliable and concentrate on your trip, not your anxiety .

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Once again, Land Rover have thought of every thing for its owners. They cant make a reliable car, their service is woeful, but they do look after their customers when they are stressed to the shit house in the middle of nowhere with enormous service bills.


They even try to convince LR owners that Anxiety over their vehicle is normal and how to deal with it. And you can even talk to your LR service representative about your anxiety. They have specialist support for owners.

"Dear service Manager, You've had my LR for 6 of the 8 months I have owned it since new, you have no idea how to fix it, and it breaks down nearly every time I drive it. This piece of crap is driving me crazy. What's your next steps?"

Dealer to owner "We have developed a special anxiety plan for customers like you, it's part of our total care package. It's very popular. LR support specialises in people who are suffering as a result of a breakdown."

:D The gift that keeps giving. LOL
 
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mikehzz

Well-Known Member
I'm reminded of the GU 3.0 owners who set up their dashboard like a 747 - 200. In the end they were still grenades. Better to just get something reliable and concentrate on your trip, not your anxiety .

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Once again, Land Rover have thought of every thing for its owners. They cant make a reliable car, their service is woeful, but they do look after their customers when they are stressed to the shit house in the middle of nowhere with enormous service bills.


They even try to convince LR owners that Anxiety over their vehicle is normal and how to deal with it. And you can even talk to your LR service representative about your anxiety. They have specialist support for owners.

"Dear service Manager, You've had my LR for 6 of the 8 months I have owned it since new, you have no idea how to fix it, and it breaks down nearly every time I drive it. This piece of crap is driving me crazy. What's your next steps?"

Dealer to owner "We have developed a special anxiety plan for customers like you, it's part of our total care package. It's very popular."

:D The gift that keeps giving. LOL
You aren't allowed to laugh about anxiety....it's a serious mental health issue. Now be ashamed of yourself. :)
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
You aren't allowed to laugh about anxiety....it's a serious mental health issue. Now be ashamed of yourself. :)
No you shouldn't laugh at people who are willing to talk about mental health , even more so with teenagers who have it harder in every nearly respect than any other generation before them, the experts encourage open discussion and support, not fobbing off and laughing.
Sorry mental health is not a joke and should not be treated as such.
Many of the attitudes and opinions here are a joke that is for sure
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
What Are Anxiety Disorders?
Anxiety is a normal emotion. It’s your brain’s way of reacting to stress and alerting you of potential danger ahead.

Everyone feels anxious now and then. For example, you may worry when faced with a problem at work, before taking a test, or before making an important decision.

Occasional anxiety is OK. But anxiety disorders are different. They’re a group of mental illnesses that cause constant and overwhelming anxiety and fear. The excessive anxiety can make you avoid work, school, family get-togethers, and other social situations that might trigger or worsen your symptoms.


Talk about make a mountain out of a fricken molehill. Some people should get a grip on reality and stop blowing a single anxious moment up into a mental health crisis. Driving Land Rovers might be causing that mental health crisis if the company is printing psychiatric health documents to ease the mental anguish.

"Many of the attitudes and opinions here are a joke that is for sure". Amen to that but in the opposite context.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
What Are Anxiety Disorders?
Anxiety is a normal emotion. It’s your brain’s way of reacting to stress and alerting you of potential danger ahead.

Everyone feels anxious now and then
. For example, you may worry when faced with a problem at work, before taking a test, or before making an important decision.

Occasional anxiety is OK. But anxiety disorders are different. They’re a group of mental illnesses that cause constant and overwhelming anxiety and fear. The excessive anxiety can make you avoid work, school, family get-togethers, and other social situations that might trigger or worsen your symptoms.


Talk about make a mountain out of a fricken molehill. Some people should get a grip on reality and stop blowing a single anxious moment up into a mental health crisis. Driving Land Rovers might be causing that mental health crisis if the company is printing psychiatric health documents to ease the mental anguish.

"Many of the attitudes and opinions here are a joke that is for sure". Amen to that but in the opposite context.

Too right. And before blowing off like a teenage boy with a Target catalogue, the psychologists on Earth should read posts - properly- to see what the jokes are about.
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
For Landrover enthousiasts

IIRC, there were two. Oxford and Cambridge.
They found the remains of Oxford somewhere and rebuilt it.
I'm not sure where Cambridge ended up.
They were named after the universities where the teams driving them came from.

But, Oxford is a Landrover. It was built way before the Defender was produced and even longer before the new Defender was produced. It is interesting to see, some of the design features of the new Defender are developments of design features in the original Landrovers.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
mmm... I prefer to watch the road not a Scangauge,
If you have a quick glance the same as you check engine temps while remote traveling you still see plenty of road and scenery , your transmission would have been running a few degrees hotter than normal for as long as the cooler was blocked, there would have been plenty of notice between your driveway and the first sand dune thats all I was alluding to.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
For Landrover enthousiasts


It is incredible that they did that trip back in those days!! It would still be a massive challenge today.

It's a credit to the old Landies. The book would be an interesting read.

 
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boobook

Well-Known Member
Well with the new Australian CEO, and their announcement statment, Land Rover seems to be confirming who they are targeting. Women driving around Toorak and Brighton. It looks like it's the right strategy based on precious princesses.. At least they know their target market. No need to worry about pesky reliability issues outside tinsel town. They are clearly running away from reliable 4wds as fast as possible. No wonder, I guess.


:D

Jaguar Land Rover has announced the appointment of a new managing director for their Australian operations.
Penny Ferguson will drive business transformation, modern luxury client experience and commercial outcomes at Jaguar Land Rover Australia, helping realise the full potential of the business’s global Reimagine strategy in the market.
Ferguson joined Jaguar Land Rover in July from leading global luxury brands Tiffany & Co. and Paspaley, bringing more than 15 years leadership experience in retail sales and operations, customer service, and finance.
Ferguson built her early career in chartered accounting and holds a Bachelor of Commerce from the University of Sydney.
Martin Limpert, regional director overseas, Jaguar Land Rover, commented: “Penny brings a depth of business experience gained within the luxury jewellery industry. As Market Director and member of Tiffany & Co.’s leadership team for Australia and New Zealand, Penny successfully drove the establishment and expansion of their operations in the region. With her broad expertise in multi- channel luxury retail operations and finance, customer-centric mindset, and modern leadership style, Penny is well-placed to drive our business transformation in line with the Jaguar Land Rover Reimagine strategy.”


"Reimagine your Land Rover didn't break down again"

It appears that even Land Rover has given up believing they sell reliable vehicles to people who want a real 4wd.

Can't wait to see the new Land Rover Tiffany edition. Expensive looks pretty, and all show, no go, you would never ever take it camping and it's a noose around your neck.
 
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Albynsw

Well-Known Member
What amazes me with that company is they are forever changing who is at the helm and “ reinventing “ themselves but nothing seems to change
There must be an ingrained mindset in their general workforce or something
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Yep definitely going the way of the luxury market and more focused on the more concerning buyers with plenty of cash and wanting a luxury vehicle. For most they are probably just a status symbol but for many LR offer what no other manufacturer can.
for me, I am about to head off on a 3 month trip, towing the van with still all the standard suspension as it came from the factory except the 2 bushes I replaced after the last extended trip off road, all at over 100,000km
How is the aftermarket industry going for the rest?
Having had that vent sadly the fantastic car I now own will probably be my last LR , how much longer I keep this one remains an open question
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
What amazes me with that company is they are forever changing who is at the helm and “ reinventing “ themselves but nothing seems to change
There must be an ingrained mindset in their general workforce or something

The Land Rover CEO and the Three Envelopes​


A new LR CEO was hired to take over the struggling company. The CEO who was stepping down met with him privately and presented him with three numbered envelopes. “Open these if you run into serious trouble,” he said.
Well, three months later reliability was still woeful, sales and profits were still way down and the new CEO was catching a lot of heat. He began to panic but then he remembered the envelopes. He went to his drawer and took out the first envelope. The message read, “Blame your predecessor.” The new CEO called a press conference and explained that the previous CEO had left him with a real mess with product reliability, and it was taking a bit longer to clean it up than expected, but everything was on the right track. Satisfied with his comments, the press – and Wall Street – responded positively.

Another quarter went by and the company continued to struggle. Having learned from his previous experience, the CEO quickly opened the second envelope. The message read, “Reorganize.” So he fired the quality people, promised quality improvements, and cut costs everywhere he could. This he did and Wall Street, and the press, applauded his efforts.

Three months passed and the company was still short on sales and product quality got worse. The CEO would have to figure out how to get through another tough earnings call. The CEO went to his office, closed the door and opened the third envelope. The message said, “Prepare three envelopes.”
 
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Albynsw

Well-Known Member
Yep definitely going the way of the luxury market and more focused on the more concerning buyers with plenty of cash and wanting a luxury vehicle. For most they are probably just a status symbol but for many LR offer what no other manufacturer can.
for me, I am about to head off on a 3 month trip, towing the van with still all the standard suspension as it came from the factory except the 2 bushes I replaced after the last extended trip off road, all at over 100,000km
How is the aftermarket industry going for the rest?
Having had that vent sadly the fantastic car I now own will probably be my last LR , how much longer I keep this one remains an open question

The reality is that not many use their LR the way you do Matt and it is very much a Urban dwellers vehicle with perhaps a weekender in the hills

I am seeing the odd one here or there towing a van but they would be the least common vehicle seen out and about in that scenario across all the brands so maybe it makes sense for them to push on in their current luxury vehicle market which is fine
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
If you ever take your Tiffany Land Rover camping. Remember the golden rule of camping. If you take it in, take it out .Here is a fashionable rubbish bag for those wealthy Landy owners.


Don't leave Toorak without one.

I'd be embarrassed camping next to those people with just my Glad Tuff Heavy Duty bag. The shame. $3.50 for a pack of 3
 
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