New Defender, observations and opinions of the available information !

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
Had no issues taking my Great Wall over the Simpson twice, Canning twice, Cape York. Never let me down at all. And far more economical than all the other brands. Can we just get back to Landrover bashing? I love the way its so easy to wind up LR "haters" and "lovers" on this forum.
I'll definitely be taking one of these for a test drive
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
As it turned out, within a couple of weeks the batteries were completely flat, as I have read it is a fairly common scenario that when the batteries are starting to fail problems start to appear so combined with that, and the fairly rough terrain, Phil from Mungerannie reckons it happens all the time of the Birdsville Track.

I will be removing each wheel and checking sensors though before I head out again on the next trip although I have been driving the 200 every day this week as my Triton went to Glendambo for work this week and no issues.

cheers
Dead or dying batteries and alternators are often causes of issues, any drop in voltage to any electrical system these days causes faults, great that it was an easy fix
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
I'll definitely be taking one of these for a test drive
Robert Pepper gives it a qualified tick. And reports in China are that it's reliable.

It's almost identical to a Wranger in size. Like a big Suzuki. I like Suzuki's but they are just too small for me.


Looks like China is following the model of Korea and Japan before that.

With about 90 dealers across Australia, it's getting viable from a support perspective. Honda has completely pi$$ed off its dealer network and they are changing to GWM in droves.

It will be interesting as a weekender or young tourer vehicle. Tons better than an old 4wd with just a few airbags for young explorers on a bit of a budget too.

Their Prado clone will quickly challenge Prados as the No 2 or 3 SUV too IMHO.

GWN is already outselling Honda in Australia, so the Honda dealers that defected from Honda's failed master plan to GWM must have their finger in the air to Honda.
 
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boobook

Well-Known Member
You sold your 70 because it was no good.
- Nope that's not true, I gave it to my son at 250K cause I wanted him to have a reliable car.

Ok, so the an example of 200 reliability is the one broke down in the middle of the simpson. Ask the owner how bad it was. No 5th and 6th gear.
-Nope, that isn't true, it had collected spinifex debris which when cleaned fixed the issue.

Ok, so your didn't your ABS overheat and fail?
-No, that isnt true, I had a flat battery.

You can sense the disappointment a mile away.

I know, the cup holders won't take large cafe lattes at the Toorak drive-through.

Can someone throw them a bone? :D
 
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shanegtr

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The first thing every Land Rover Discovery 3/4 Owner needs is a fault reader?
If you ask me that would apply to most newish cars nowdays. Its nice to know if the warning light on your dash is something simple and not worth worrying about or something more serious, especially when travelling remote.

And for what its worth I'd have no issues taking my 400,000km+ 2005 Disco 3 on the CSR.
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
I'll definitely be taking one of these for a test drive

It is good to see some more competition on the market
Hopefully they go a good job of it and is a success story
 

Krumpy

Member
It did read like you were being quite specific. And rightly so. I don't think many people would have need for concern with a 100,000km vehicle that was in normal condition if they had done proper preparation TBH. My last vehicle was just nicely run-in at 100,000km and I didn't think twice about that kind of long-distance ( and more remote and corregated) trips with 250,000kms. Same as most people with a 4wd. Any 4wd can do long-distance dirt roads that carry trucks and sedans doing 90 to 100kmph all day long.

Isn't your response the exact point of the video I put up? The first thing every Land Rover Discovery 3/4 Owner needs is a fault reader?
You double bolded a fault reader? Toyota or land rover everyone should have one
 

Krumpy

Member
Mate of mine just got a haval. I’ll be sure to report back on it if I don’t get banned for cracking the shits about the ladies arguing.
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
So despite what ones says, actions speak louder than words ;)
Yes. Actions speak louder than words.
I leave my Series 3 Stage 1 (which I have owned for over thirty years) in the driveway until I want to go for a bush drive, camping trip or long traveling holiday.
In the early days, I used to use it as a daily drive for the commute to work but now I use a slightly more comfortable Territory in that role. Why a Territory? I need something a little more robust than the Camry which only lasted me a couple of years before it went to scrap.
 

Mick_Marsh

Active Member
How is the new Defender, anyone here actually own one or driven one, if so did it get off the dealers driveway without needing a tow truck
As I have said before, I have a friend who has one. I have driven it.
It is without doubt an excellent, comfortable vehicle that is very capable straight off the showroom floor.
 

dirvine

Well-Known Member
I disagree.
Marketing puts the opposition out of business. Remember the VHS/Betamax debarcle.
Not entirely marketing. It was because the "inventors" of Betamax had copyright and manufacturers of playback/record machines refused to pay royalties. Compare that to the cassette. Philips invented it and said anybody could make them as long as there was a label on them that said "compact cassette". There was no doubt that Betamax was the better platform for quality video and sound (TV cameras used a similar product), but the royalties that had to be paid priced betamax out of the market.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
Not entirely marketing. It was because the "inventors" of Betamax had copyright and manufacturers of playback/record machines refused to pay royalties. Compare that to the cassette. Philips invented it and said anybody could make them as long as there was a label on them that said "compact cassette". There was no doubt that Betamax was the better platform for quality video and sound (TV cameras used a similar product), but the royalties that had to be paid priced betamax out of the market.
Yep, there were a few other factors too. the main one was that Sony would not allow porn to be distributed on Beta, so the market gravitated to VHS.

The other thing that isn't referred to much is that to get better quality, Beta 1 was used with a higher tape speed, which limited the tape time to 1 hour. Beta 2 slowed the tape speed down so the time was around 3 hours I think, but then the quality difference from VHS was negligible. So for the domestic market that demanded 2 hour plus times, there was no real quality difference and as you say dirvine, a significant price difference.

I am fairly sure Beta for professional use, is Beta 1 which wasn't even supported on domestic Beta recorders after a while.


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cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
A fault reader would be useless to me.
None of my Landrovers have OBD2 ports.
Fault readers typically wont tell you if there is a physical issue with the car that will inevitably lead to a significant problem, I have a Scangauge but there is no way that it could tell me about the build up of grass seeds

I think total reliance on looking at the ECU data may well bring some undone particularly in my case.

cheers
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Fault readers typically wont tell you if there is a physical issue with the car that will inevitably lead to a significant problem, I have a Scangauge but there is no way that it could tell me about the build up of grass seeds

I think total reliance on looking at the ECU data may well bring some undone particularly in my case.

cheers
Not entirely true, if you were watching live values you would have seen a difference in trans temps well before it overheated when being worked hard
 
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