New Defender, observations and opinions of the available information !
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dirvine
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Until VW came out with the 8 speed Amorack, most "experts" considered a 4WD as one with selectable High and Low range as well as a front and rear diff. This has now been further blurred by Disco Sport and others that claim they are 4WD, just because they have a centre Diff. So maybe the definition neds to further enhanced by saying 1st gear final ratio has to more than 40:1 or something simillar. Or something that has greater than 200mm ground clearance. I dont really know but I have seen our friend Pat C complain about the VW when on the Madigan line not having the gearing to get up a sand hill. What do others think?
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CTL
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You lost me with the Pajero Sport reference. Please explain
The Disco Sport has a power transfer unit and a Haldex the same as a Freelander 2 and a Range Rover Evoque. There's no centre diff that I know of. I know because I had to change the PTU in my FL2. Drive to the rear wheels is totaly controlled by those two units under the command of the car computer. Once again, you can't do any of it manually.
Once again - awd is where all wheels turn - so 4wds are just a type of AWD.
Second point - look at the screen (yes early versions of the Defender has screen issues) and it tells you the status of the diffs - you constantly criticise the vehicle but will not take the time to learn about.
BTW.......you're just trolling Land Rover tragics now, aren't you?
I have tried to educate this guy and he refuses to learn so I now agree.
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If you honestly believe that 4wds are just a type of AWD because all the wheels turn, and that is as complicated as the definitions get, then that would be the reason why we differ in our opinion.
At least now we know why we have different views.
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Think of the bright side of his car ownership, he'd never get fined for driving more than 5km from home LOL.
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Thanks Matt.
I will take a look through Aulro. I am slowly checking it out but for years away. I do genuinely have concerns that the system is different to what I believe is the right approach, especially with the touch screen interface which has so far been dodgy in a few owner reviews I've seen. Of course, that is an opinion. But the proof in the pudding will be how it goes in the real world over the next few years.
I will take a look through Aulro. I am slowly checking it out but for years away. I do genuinely have concerns that the system is different to what I believe is the right approach, especially with the touch screen interface which has so far been dodgy in a few owner reviews I've seen. Of course, that is an opinion. But the proof in the pudding will be how it goes in the real world over the next few years.
discomatt
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The touch screen is crap because LR designed and programmed there own system rather than just using another platform such as apple car play.
The touch screen failing or having glitches has no effect on any of the cars mechanical systems so it will not leave you stranded if it fails.
There are guys on Aulro that make me look as though I Know absolutely nothing about LR's, some of them know where , what , why and how on virtually every part of the car
The touch screen failing or having glitches has no effect on any of the cars mechanical systems so it will not leave you stranded if it fails.
There are guys on Aulro that make me look as though I Know absolutely nothing about LR's, some of them know where , what , why and how on virtually every part of the car
Come on Tony stop trying to provoke us LR owners, there is a reason why we love them and you know you want one so just come to the dark side.
Then and only then you will understand the joys and tribulations that make car ownership a passion.
Don't forget I've experienced the joy of the dark side before Matt. It's definitely an acquired taste.
discomatt
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I know but I don't think you can compare the very early series LR's with their recent models, as much as they still have their problems, as all manufacturers do they have come a long way IMO.Don't forget I've experienced the joy of the dark side before Matt. It's definitely an acquired taste.
In my opinion they would not be so popular in the affluent suburbs if they were as unreliable as what some would have you believe and you would not see so many on the road.
Does anyone really think people earning big bucks are going to be happy with a brand that constantly breaks down? No they wouldn't, it they did constantly have issues the wealthy wouldn't touch them and instead go for BMW, Merc or Lexus models but that is not the case, almost every second house in Toorak has a Range Rover
Just between you and me Matt, I definitely think Tata fixed a lot. I hope no one is listening. But the jury really is still out on the Defender. It could even be the best ever 4wd SUV if it lives up to the hype.
I take a different view on wealthy buyers and SUV's. I don't think remote dependability would even come in the top 20 attributes for a $250K RR buyer in Toorak ( for example) . They generally just lease them for 3 or 4 years, then dump them if they really get unreliable, after all the leases are designed to turn em over, they can catch a cab home from urban areas and drive one of their other 3 cars while the SUV is being repaired and Mercedes and BMW probably aren't a lot better. Lexus has a reputation for the best reliability year after year but it hardly sells in that market, it's just another bloody Toyota. Not to be seen in!
So long as the SUV gets the family to Mt Buller and back - that's as remote as it gets.
As to driving 500km down a rutted dirt track 1500 km from a dealer? Most would think "Why on earth would anyone want to do that?"
TYNO87
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In fairness boobook I think that could be said about 99% of the new dual cabs and their wagon equivalents, hell even the 70 series (the privately owned ones, not the farmers or mining vehicles).
The majority of 4wd owners either own them for the room/ extra seats, or to look cool. You can’t buy v8s anymore. All the blokes/ p platers that once would have driven commodores like wankers are now wrecking the beaches like wankers in their rangers and navaras.
Not saying this is a bad topic or that we shouldn’t discuss it but judging any vehicle and how it operates before any of us have actually driven one is ludicrous.
Personally, they’re not for me. But I’m a dinosaur and I know it. If we were in the early 1900s I’d have been one of the people bagging motor vehicles because they couldn’t go where my horse could and weren’t as reliable.
I think that's true. To be clear though, my comments on owner motives weren't about the Defender, they were just in response to Matt's comments around Toorok owners of Rangies.