You lost me with the Pajero Sport reference. Please explainUntil VW came out with the 8 speed Amorack, most "experts" considered a 4WD as one with selectable High and Low range as well as a front and rear diff. This has now been further blurred by Disco Sport, Pajero Sport and others. So maybe the definition neds to further enhanced by saying 1st gear final ratio has to more than 40:1 or something simillar. Or something that has greater than 200mm ground clearance. I dont really know but I have seen our friend Pat C complain about the VW when on the Madigan line not having the gearing to get up a sand hill. What do others think?
Opps sorry I thought when they 1st came out they did not have low range. Take it off the list thenYou lost me with the Pajero Sport reference. Please explain
Can you explain why Land Rover call it an AWD, but you insist it isn't?
For many people it is important to know if you have diffs locked and when.
BTW.......you're just trolling Land Rover tragics now, aren't you?
Once again - awd is where all wheels turn - so 4wds are just a type of AWD.
They do bite well, its not seasonal and there's no restrictions or bag limits.
Come on Tony stop trying to provoke us LR owners, there is a reason why we love them and you know you want one so just come to the dark side.
Then and only then you will understand the joys and tribulations that make car ownership a passion.
I know but I don't think you can compare the very early series LR's with their recent models, as much as they still have their problems, as all manufacturers do they have come a long way IMO.Don't forget I've experienced the joy of the dark side before Matt. It's definitely an acquired taste.
I know but I don't think you can compare the very early series LR's with their recent models, as much as they still have their problems, as all manufacturers do they have come a long way IMO.
In my opinion they would not be so popular in the affluent suburbs if they were as unreliable as what some would have you believe and you would not see so many on the road.
Does anyone really think people earning big bucks are going to be happy with a brand that constantly breaks down? No they wouldn't, it they did constantly have issues the wealthy wouldn't touch them and instead go for BMW, Merc or Lexus models but that is not the case, almost every second house in Toorak has a Range Rover
Just between you and me Matt, I definitely think Tata fixed a lot. I hope no one is listening. But the jury really is still out on the Defender. It could even be the best ever 4wd SUV if it lives up to the hype.
I take a different view on wealthy buyers and SUV's. I don't think remote dependability would even come in the top 20 attributes for a $250K RR buyer in Toorak ( for example) . They generally just lease them for 3 or 4 years, then dump them if they really get unreliable, after all the leases are designed to turn em over, they can catch a cab home from urban areas and drive one of their other 3 cars while the SUV is being repaired and Mercedes and BMW probably aren't a lot better. Lexus has a reputation for the best reliability year after year but it hardly sells in that market, it's just another bloody Toyota. Not to be seen in!
So long as the SUV gets the family to Mt Buller and back - that's as remote as it gets.
As to driving 500km down a rutted dirt track 1500 km from a dealer? Most would think "Why on earth would anyone want to do that?"
In fairness boobook I think that could be said about 99% of the new dual cabs and their wagon equivalents, hell even the 70 series (the privately owned ones, not the farmers or mining vehicles).
The majority of 4wd owners either own them for the room/ extra seats, or to look cool. You can’t buy v8s anymore. All the blokes/ p platers that once would have driven commodores like wankers are now wrecking the beaches like wankers in their rangers and navaras.
Not saying this is a bad topic or that we shouldn’t discuss it but judging any vehicle and how it operates before any of us have actually driven one is ludicrous.
Personally, they’re not for me. But I’m a dinosaur and I know it. If we were in the early 1900s I’d have been one of the people bagging motor vehicles because they couldn’t go where my horse could and weren’t as reliable.