National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction

4X4

Moderator
Vehicle Standards Bulletin (VSB) 14

On Tuesday 10th February, Michael Coldham and Milton Oliver met with the Chief
of Staff (Cressida Wall) for the Minister for Roads Tim Pallis and Ross McArthur
and Barry Hendry from VicRoads to discuss the Vehicle Standards Bulletin (VSB)
14 and the implications on our members.
It was pointed out that FWDV represents 15,000 members of our Association, who
were the only group affected by this policy. It was also noted that the VSB14 has
no basis in science or fact and that it would stop our members from touring the
country, because it does not provide enough safety gap between ground surface
and vehicle in the area's of our country in which our members travel. It is believed
that we shall not be following the European model, as it has little or no relevance to
Australia.
The meeting gave opportunity for FWDV to place on record our deep concerns
about the VSB 14 becoming legislation on July 1st because there have been an
abject failure on the part of VicRoads to consult with the peak body on any level.
In fact, it was pointed out, there had been a refusal by Vicroads to consult with
FWDV despite direct requests by the Vice President of FWDV, in person on November
19th. This drew a sharp response from Ms Wall, who declared that no code
of practice would become law unless peak bodies and key stakeholders had been
“properly and genuinely” consulted. “The minister simply will not approve any draft
otherwise.”
There was much other discussion, as Ms Wall attempted to ascertain the realities
pertaining to the current code implementation. The outcome of the meeting was
that VicRoads will not put up any recommendation to the Minister to approve
VSB14 as legislation until:
a) the draft rests on hard scientific evidence where vehicle modifications are concerned
– in particular, bull bars, vehicle suspension changes and tyre sizes;
b) the AAAA have completed their tests and a review of the outcomes has been
discussed resolved and reached agreement;
c) VicRoads must properly consult with FWDV, AAAA and VACC and consider any
tests conducted by the FWD sector (AAAA, VACC and FWDV) before any draft can
go to the minister.
This is a fantastic outcome for our members and further proof that our relationship
with Government is vital to our future.
 

4X4

Moderator
It's to do with the National Code Of Practice. Basically, they were trying to limit the amount of lift on vehicles to 50mm over standard. That could be 50mm suspension lift or 50mm body lift or 50mm of tyre lift or a combination, not to exceed 50mm from standard height.
 

gdog

Member
What gains to they perceive will be returned from such legislation?
If anything it puts people out of work and companies out of business. Which, unless I'm mistaken, is the opposite reason they have been voted in.

Good News!
 

cruiserlad

4x4 Earth Contributer
It's to do with the National Code Of Practice. Basically, they were trying to limit the amount of lift on vehicles to 50mm over standard. That could be 50mm suspension lift or 50mm body lift or 50mm of tyre lift or a combination, not to exceed 50mm from standard height.

well thats about what we are aloud in queensland so no probs for us it would suck for the middle earthers though it seems like if they get a mod plate from an engineer they can build hi rise 4bys cheers rob:eek::D:eek:
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
What gains to they perceive will be returned from such legislation?
If anything it puts people out of work and companies out of business. Which, unless I'm mistaken, is the opposite reason they have been voted in.

Good News!

Mate, Politition's, Unless they are seen on TV, "CARING or GRIEVING" they don't care about much and only take advice from the advisors who are paid off the most and make the most noise!! And of coarse, they listen to the greenies, cos they sook, and they think people listen to them. If people listened to the girli.. sorry , Greenies, THEY WOULD VOTE THEM IN!!!!

And once they make policy, the ultimate answer is, "Sorry, nothing I can do about it!!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Pure Yobbo

Moderator
well thats about what we are aloud in queensland so no probs for us it would suck for the middle earthers though it seems like if they get a mod plate from an engineer they can build hi rise 4bys cheers rob:eek::D:eek:

Hey Crusierlad I think we would be worse off if they bring the 50mm in total in.

Currently we can do 50mm suspension, 50mm body lift and 15mm in tyres (not 100% sure about the tyre part) so that would give us 115mm of lift.

Cheers
 

millsy

4x4 Earth Contributer
Hey Frosty, I reckon you could call me a greenie, but I don't think its about the environment. I thought it was about safety. Higher C of G means less roll stability. This is probably more of an issue on the highway as you are heading out to the tracks. From what I have seen on the different forums I often read about people driving their fourbies at the same sort of speeds thay drive their family sedans.

But our Commodores etc. are like lowered sports cars compared to a lifted fourby! Is it right that we treat them as equals on the highway as far as safe cruising speeds are concerned? All OK provided there is no sudden turning or swerving required. Not that anyone would want to do a sudden swerve normally. But what if you had to swerve to avoid a collision, or a pedestrian?

I am pretty protected myself 'cause the old girl probably has never had the needle on 110. It would 'blow a gasket' before it got that fast! But even 100 would be a risk in a narrow wheel based MQ, which sits pretty high even without a lift.

Millsy
 

LowLux

Moderator
It sounds like its about a whole lot of things that has to do with vehicle modifications. Some people obviously think that because you put off road tyres on and lift the veichile and make it heavier or lighter etc etc etc, its going to make the vehcile more unsafe and also damage the environment..TSSSS! that's what I think. Why does there have to be so many people out there that have it in for those of us that want to get out of town and enjoy our country?
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Vehicle Modifications - Lift - Proposed Legislation

Hi All,

Reading the FWDV newsletter and came across the following. Might have to keep an eye on this one as I would imagine if it happens, it may affect a few of us.

Link to newsletter http://www.tlcv.org.au/pdf%20DOWNLOADS/FWDV%20-%20E%20News%20February%202009.pdf


VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS
Many of you will not be aware that across Australia, a new law is proposed to be made to restrict four wheel drive vehicles having a vehicle lift in total over 50mm. Our Vicroads, the lead organisation, has been on a to have made law this new restriction and to make the law retrospective.
Last week Milton Oliver and I attended a special meeting with the Chief of Staff for the Minister for Transport and Vicroads to discuss the issue. You can get the full story on the Association website and in summary we pointed out that FWDV represents 15,000 members of our Association, who were the only group affected by this policy. It was also noted that the VSB14 had no basis in science or fact and that it would stop our members from touring the country, because it does not provide enough safety gap between ground surface and vehicle in the area's of our country in which our members travel. We pointed out that adopting the European model had little or no relevance to Australia.
The meeting gave opportunity for FWDV to place on record our deep concerns
about the VSB 14 becoming legislation on July 1st because there have been an abject failure on the part of Vicroads to consult with the peak body on any level. In fact, it was pointed out, there had been a refusal by Vicroads to consult with FWDV despite direct requests by the Vice President of FWDV, in person on November 19th.
This drew a sharp response from Ms Wall, who declared that no code
of practice would become law unless peak bodies and key stakeholders had been “properly and genuinely” consulted. “The minister simply will not approve any draft otherwise.”
 

bmurray2250

4x4 Earth Contributer
Raising you vehicle 2" or 6" isn't going to raise your diff's any higher but will help going over things. Changing the tyres and rims will increase that. I would like see what the real issue is. I agree with the statement from Ms Wall "who declared that no code of practice would become law unless peak bodies and key stakeholders had been “properly and genuinely” consulted. “The minister simply will not approve any draft otherwise.” I am wondering this is a body of people attempting to ban 4wd's again.
 

TUFF IFS LUX

Active Member
This is being pushed by the greeen movement behind the scens I reckon.

They cant ban 4x4's directly so they are trying to limit their ability to go anywhere offroad.

After this, I guarantee you they will push for a blanket ban on bullbars as they'll say if your vehicle is registered in surburban areas, you have no need for a bullbar.
 

damo4runner

New Member
Hi guys new here but was wondering if anyone here has heard if this NCOP is going live on July 1 2009 or are we again waiting another 6 months and having to wait till January 1 2010.
 

monk2

Active Member
sounds like they want to control us again but how many moded 4x4's do you see on tv or hear of in the news that have been involved in a accident ????? comparied to normal cars and normal family tourers zero as any member on this site will say sure we have 4by's that can do 160klm p/h ++ but none of us do that sort of thing, we obey most open road speed limits and those of the suberbs so why do they keep on about us and our liking for the open spaces and the great views we see you will not find any of this in the city, some of the best weekends away i have had was at boho south at the boho bounce with a lot of mates who all had 4bys and a great weekend was had by all,
 
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TUFF IFS LUX

Active Member
Id like to know why they limit the increase in track width to such a small amount?

I think as long as the tyre is covered by flares then whats an extra inch in track width gonna do?

the vehicle will be more stable with a wider stance.
 

Recovery Crew

New Member
very interesting guys thanks but was wondering if any of you know where to go to find out what our limitations are in QLD and if there s any way s around these limitations ie getting it mod plated and ie tyre sizes and also suspension lifts. Thinking that if i cant do what i want to with my landcruiser then ill just have to register it in another state at a friend s or family members address to get round the issues lol.......
"Raising you vehicle 2" or 6" isn't going to raise your diff's any higher but will help going over things. Changing the tyres and rims will increase that" i agree 100% but often to get the size tires you want on and to allow these tires to work properly you need to give them more room to move hence the lifts lol
 

TjTrooper

New Member
I don't believe that this legislation being put through for safety reasons will solve that problem. With the 3.5 lift and 32's on my wrangler i still find vehicles that sit higher out of the factory. If a stock hummer doing 100-110 had to make a sharp swerve it would also rollover and as for bullbars... well i wouldn't wanna get in the way of a stock ford F650.
 

monk2

Active Member
dose any body know if this is past yet ?? just a comment that one of my mates a friend of his said it had been pasted ?? I have not heard anything
 
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