Looking to buy a new JK Rubicon

Pubski

Active Member
I know a bloke witha rubicon needed a new auto within 2500klms got water in it somehow. i welded new panhard steering dampner bracket on his diff because it broke off.
Mind you he rolled around on 37's since upgraded to to dana 60s with engineering for 37s.

Good car overall but i wouldnt buy one
 
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Deleted member 69390

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I have an acquaintance with a LWB for his wife - goes everywhere, one of the most capable 4wds offroad and never had an issue. I believed the stories you would never buy a Prado cause they catch fire in the bush, never buy a v8 cruiseer because their ancilliaries get full of mud.

Do as you have tried - get advice from actual owners not I have a friend of a friend on my long dead cousin who had issues - and yes I dont have direct experience either other than being on 4wd trips with this Jeep and talked with the owner - it is great vehicle but if you dont own a Japper on this forum - well ........
 

loose cannon

Well-Known Member
I generally rely on mechanics who have spent considerable amounts of time working on 4wds, not hard to find guys like that in the north west of WA. Auto electricians too. Also people who work on stations and pound the living hell out of 4wds for a living offer some knowledgeable feedback, at least on the brand they drive.

Far more reliable sources of quality info than an individual owner with experience of one vehicle will ever be.

No need to own or even drive a particular brand to have an informed opinion.
 

dno67

Well-Known Member
Everyone I know that's owned one, has said how well they go
off-road. None of those people have purchased a second one,
they moved onto something else.
It's only money. Buy one, spend heaps on accessories, give it a
good flogging up the bush and get back too us on what ya reckon.
Look forward to hearing about it.
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
We've had two in our family and we would buy another one. If you buy a Jeep and never take it off road then you are nuts. Off road is the only place they totally impress you with their good points. They have very few good points on the tar. Jeeps being flogged off road on 35+ tyres are not a good example either. Youtube is full of clips of every brand breaking on big tyres and hard core tracks. A standard Ruby will crawl up places like Spanish Steps without even looking like breaking anything. No need for any mods. I've seen one do it still on the showroom tyres. If you treat any brand right you will have few issues, and a new Ruby comes with a 5 year warranty...I think?
 

jacnden

Well-Known Member
So I don't have a jeep but I know a couple who have them as off roaders and love them. Are the rubicons the most capable off roader available? And so much after market stuff out there
Are they unreliable? I drive a Great Wall and everyone tells me it's the most unreliable car made and ive never really had issues, so are all the stories about jeeps real? Or are others jealous of what they can do?
I don't know.
I wouldn't buy one as a tourer but as my off road play thing i think it would be great
 

loose cannon

Well-Known Member
Thanks, it seems all 4x4 s have their issues, I’m just trying to sort through the BS
And good luck with that:D
Look, everybodies needs are different. I do LOTS of long distance highway driving and regular solo trips into remote and semi-remote areas so a Jeep just doesn't cut the mustard for me. Reliability is everything and how much 'fun' the vehicle is doesn't get factored in. Trust me, once you've done your first 25km walk out to the highway after three days of being stranded you form a different perspective on how important reliability is.:)

But if you live in a city/suburban environment and want a vehicle as a daily driver that you'll take bush with your mates for some bush bashing fun on the weekends then yeah, the Jeep sounds like a good option.

Just make sure you buy a vehicle that's fit for purpose...and ignore most of what you read on the 'nets.:D

Btw...I'll just share this - the 3 day stranding was in a mates 4wd. Auto, with no second battery and battery was four years old. We were on flat ground and could have push started a manual or jumped off a second battery, if we had one. So when I say "fit for purpose" I feel I can speak with some authority of how things can go pear shaped in the bush. This scenario probably doesn't apply to you but hey, just keep it in mind for the future ok.:)
 

HL_nsw

New Member
Just a general comment on JK's/wrangler. Its really a car that you either love or hate, being an owner these are my points to consider:
- definitely get the unlimited (4dr) due to the extra space and towing capacity
- if you overland - the tank is tiny and will give you the shits!
The rubicon is exceptional but if you find a good deal JK putting a couple of grand will get you the same result as a rubicon. Also i like the highway/city 2nd hand JKs as they are city cars and have not been offroaded - most 2nd hand rubicons have been offroaded which can be a mystery.
 

BonZa

Member
I once owned a 650cc Yamaha motorbike. Ugly, dull and boring would be a fair description (the bike, not me)o_O

Anyway, did a summertime trip from Dampier in the Pilbara to Perth and back, stinking hot all the way both ways with temps nudging 50c in the northern sections of the trip.

Met a guy at a roadhouse about 500kms or so south of Dampier on the way back, he was riding a seriously cool looking Triumph, a classic motorbike if there ever was one. Suggested we ride together and he was keen but there was one problem, his bike wouldn't start because of the heat. So I climbed back on the Yami, hit the electric start button and was quickly back up to my prefered cruising speed of 140kph.( Empty roads and no cops those days)

So you have a decision to make. Do you want to be the guy with the coolest looking 4wd in the street or do you want to be the guy who gets to go bush a lot.

Don't buy a 4wd based on looks or emotion. Buy a cool car or motorbike if you live in suburbia and like to strut your stuff but if you plan to go bush get something that will get you there and back.

Out bush, ugly, dull and boring is cool.

Oh, and I'll answer the questions you asked of Spooner.
"How often do you see JK broken down? Is it something you see regularly?"
Nope...and nope. But I live in the Kimberley and it's pretty much a jeep free zone. I leave you to work out why...:)
I laughed when I read this as I ride a 2007 Triumph Bonneville and drive a 2005 Jeep Wrangler

the Bonnie I've put on 140,000 kilometers with no issues. the hottest I've ridden in was 47 dgrees during black saturday bush fires. it started up ok first hit of the starter button. been a long time since Trumpies were a kick start, like 40 bloody years back in 1976!

the Jeep has done over 200,000 kilometers with no issues and I do all the maintenance myself. it has never been touched by the dealer or a professional mechanic except me since I bought it new. and it is amazing in the bush especially in the high country with BFG muddies. put it in first gear low ratio and it ccrawls up a brick wall. my spare time is as a gold prospector, I take it in the bush all the time.

plus I bought a new 79 series twin cab LandCruiser, mainly for carting "stuff" as the Jeep is compact and not much room for picks shovels camping gear etc etc, but I still prefer my Jeep for fun
 

loose cannon

Well-Known Member
Glad I was able to provide you with a laugh but it's a shame you didn't read my follow up post.

"But if you live in a city/suburban environment and want a vehicle as a daily driver that you'll take bush with your mates for some bush bashing fun on the weekends then yeah, the Jeep sounds like a good option.
Just make sure you buy a vehicle that's fit for purpose...and ignore most of what you read on the 'nets"


And I'll repeat my earlier comment that the Kimberley is almost a jeep free zone and leave you to ponder why that is so. Thoughts?

Heaps of Toyotas up here and the number of Mazdas and Fords has increasing dramatically over the last decade or so, especially the Mazdas. A few Patrols but they seem to be losing ground to other brands. A small smattering of Landys but mainly later model Disco3s and 4.

But no Jeeps...hence my comment to buy a vehicle that's fit for purpose. That's what the Trumpy story was all about too...buy a motorbike that's fit for purpose and back then the Trumpy was a poor choice:rolleyes:

Hope that clears things up for you.
 

BonZa

Member
Glad I was able to provide you with a laugh but it's a shame you didn't read my follow up post.

"But if you live in a city/suburban environment and want a vehicle as a daily driver that you'll take bush with your mates for some bush bashing fun on the weekends then yeah, the Jeep sounds like a good option.
Just make sure you buy a vehicle that's fit for purpose...and ignore most of what you read on the 'nets"


And I'll repeat my earlier comment that the Kimberley is almost a jeep free zone and leave you to ponder why that is so. Thoughts?

Heaps of Toyotas up here and the number of Mazdas and Fords has increasing dramatically over the last decade or so, especially the Mazdas. A few Patrols but they seem to be losing ground to other brands. A small smattering of Landys but mainly later model Disco3s and 4.

But no Jeeps...hence my comment to buy a vehicle that's fit for purpose. That's what the Trumpy story was all about too...buy a motorbike that's fit for purpose and back then the Trumpy was a poor choice:rolleyes:

Hope that clears things up for you.
you havent cleared up anythng except to say because up in the Kimberley there are no Jeeps to draw your own conclusion as to why., well, why then?
I'm guessing you have never driven one, worked on one or owned one
and the OP is asking about a Rubicon Wrangler, not a Cherokee, Compass, Patriot etc

buying vehicle that is fit for purpose, yep I agree with that
 

BonZa

Member
Hi there,
I’ve recently driven a 2Dr JK on Moreton Island and I’ve got the JK bug. I’m currently in the research phase for an Auto jk Rubicon unlimited. My thoughts were to be patient and try to get a great deal by waiting till the end of finanacial year sales, and possibly the launch of the JL (I think later this year?) I know how they drive, I know they are thirsty. What I need to know is there any issues that I need to be aware of? I heard there was an auto gear box problem?
I do know the rubicon is probably slightly over kill, however it will spend time off road as I’m sick of being a passenger!
I love that the Jeep I borrowed was a real drivers car and had character!
to the OP I've had a TJ wrangler for the past 13 years since new and done heaps of bush work so know there strong points and week points
the JK is a lot different to the TJ but still share a lot like axles, transmission etc

first of all, dont listen to anyone's advice who has never owned one. speak to owners when you see one pulled up for petrol. people often ask me when filling up, especially in back country areas

the Rubicon is a good choice with solid dana44 axles front and rear with lockers on both as standard
it has a much lower ratio transfer box than the standard Wrangler when low ratio 4x4 is selected
it sits a little higher
compared to the TJ it has stronger panhard and control arms
the current six speed manual is the same as whats in mine. its a Mecedes Benz box that was problematic at first, but they seemed to be ironed out the bugs and have been the standard box since 2005. before that they had NV boxes and before that AISIN Jap boxes. the auto is a NV transmission as far as I know still and rarely seem to give trouble by all accounts
if you get the short wheel base not much room to stash stuff, but the rear dicky seat just clips out and mine is rarely in there
it shares many electrical parts from well known makers, like the starter in mine in Nippondenso, a Bosch fuel pump and so it goes
parts are easy to get, just dont use the dealers. buy on line from yankee vendors like Rockauto, Jeepsrus, Morris4x4, etc. they often have close out sales that are too good to pass up. like the wheel cylinders I bought recently for $5.00 each even though didnt need any
so far I have accumulated a spare fuel pump, axle seals and bearings, brake parts etc eec for cheap as, for just in case, but as yet havent used any, just keeping them as spares
except for a radiator that crapped out on me. got another on line for about $150
down side is they suck fuel, at least mine does. but it has the last of the old AMC straight sixes. now they have a Chrysler Pentestar V6 that by all accounts isnt quite as thirsty, they have a 72 litre tank so if you go outback a jerry will be needed. depending on who you talk to I reckon the straight six is better having seen examples of well over 400,000 clicks, but the V6 certainly has more power
the auto trans issue you mentioned is probably the six speed box problem mentioned above
the diesel version is not too flash with clutch problems
they have a few funny little quirks but are fairly easy to work on. most of the problems come about when people over modify with a big lift and 35" tyres etc
JK's have a lot more electrickery than the TJ's and the new JL will be even more so. and thats the way it goes with all makes of cars
I've had two Land Cruisers and a current model Landcruiser twincab, I kept my Jeep because I like it too much. and for when going solo in the bush. I would take it anywhere, even a light run through the Kimberley

for heaps of info go to ausjeep online or one of the yankee forums. they have lots of write ups and are a wealth of info

and they are good with river crossings. below Humffray river Vic
 

loose cannon

Well-Known Member
you havent cleared up anythng except to say because up in the Kimberley there are no Jeeps to draw your own conclusion as to why., well, why then?
The point I'm trying to make is that some vehicles are better suited to some environments than others. It's not a hard concept to grasp if you get off your high horse for a little while. Maybe lose the smart arse attitude and you might learn something sunshine, ok.
I'm trying to get you to understand that the Kimberley is a different landscape to the VHC.
Not sure if I can dumb it down any more than that.

[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you have never driven one, worked on one or owned one
and the OP is asking about a Rubicon Wrangler, not a Cherokee, Compass, Patriot etc [/QUOTE]

What does this word salad have to do with anything?

buying vehicle that is fit for purpose, yep I agree with that
Are you sure? You sound confused. If you were to move to the Kimberley you think a vehicle that's good in the VHC and can crawl up a brick wall in low low would be a good choice? (Hint: may explain low numbers of jeeps in Kimberley).
 

BonZa

Member
The point I'm trying to make is that some vehicles are better suited to some environments than others. It's not a hard concept to grasp if you get off your high horse for a little while. Maybe lose the smart arse attitude and you might learn something sunshine, ok.
I'm trying to get you to understand that the Kimberley is a different landscape to the VHC.
Not sure if I can dumb it down any more than that.
I'm guessing you have never driven one, worked on one or owned one
and the OP is asking about a Rubicon Wrangler, not a Cherokee, Compass, Patriot etc [/QUOTE]

What does this word salad have to do with anything?



Are you sure? You sound confused. If you were to move to the Kimberley you think a vehicle that's good in the VHC and can crawl up a brick wall in low low would be a good choice? (Hint: may explain low numbers of jeeps in Kimberley).[/QUOTE]

the names BonZa not "sunshine" loose cannon, and I've worked in the Kimberley so have an idea what its like. (and once came across someone with a CJ)

but besides you insinuating a Jeep is no good up there left with the comment "I'll leave you to work out why" and "hint". I take your point about different vehicles for different areas, but what is exactly that makes them unsuitable for up there?

the OP is asking specifically about a JK known issues
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
I can speak from experience here. I've had 2 Jeeps, a Land Rover and 4 Jap 4x4's. I might not be a true representative though because I don't feel like I've had an unreliable car out of the lot of them. What's annoying about non Jap cars is the constant external negative vibes from almost everyone and the extra effort required to source the simplest of parts or find an expert to solve odd things that might occur randomly. The negative vibes have you questioning your own judgement because they often fly in the face of your actual experience. I usually end up doing 300k plus kms in my cars so I give them a fair test in my opinion. Jeeps and Land Rovers leave the others for dead in driving experience. Reliability should only be a factor if you have had unreliable cars I suppose. I'll give anything a go if it drives nice and I like its looks. I've never been interested in a Toyota 4x4, I don't know why. I look at them and say meh, whatever. I don't like how they look, how they drive, their fuel economy, sitting in them and the price. I find all that strange and can't explain it at all. People like me are the reason other brands exist. :) Buy the Jeep, you know you want to.....
 

Mr Rum

4x4 Earth Legend
I've never been interested in a Toyota 4x4, I don't know why.
I can totally appreciate this, as it’s exactly how I feel about Jeeps. Like, ew!

That said. I don’t particularly like the appearance of my current vehicle either, but I didn’t buy it as a fashion accessory.
Each to their own.

To the OP.. Sounds like you know what you want, and based of the replies in this thread, I can’t see any reasons to change your mind.

Whatever you decide, we want pictures.:)
 
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