Lockdown Protests

peterfermtech

Well-Known Member
So something like 1 in 5, 12-15 year olds have already had their first shot in the first week of vaccines being available. It's great to see that the youth are willing to do something to protect themselves and the community. Pity there isn't a bit more of a willingness from some of the more senior population.
 

synchro1

Member
Pity there isn't a bit more of a willingness from some of the more senior population.
Well maybe if the Government did not create so much confusion and concern and changing of position with respect to the application of AZ there would not be the issue - most are happy to be vaccinated but just not with Az - even now in most areas only Az is available to the senior population where Pfizer and Moderna is available to everyone else.

Yes - I am Senior, yes I am double vaccinated with Az but have the same concerns as many with Az - I got it because it was the only one available but not expecting it to provide the same level of protection as I would have got with Pfizer or Moderna which is only available to under 59s where I live - open if the vaccines to every one and vaccine hesitancy in Seniors is gone.
 

Kippie

Moderator
On a practical level with regards to employer requirements for their staff to be vaccinated. The potential disruption and costs to a business with maintaining reliable staffing numbers is a legitimate concern. Imagine the impact if a Covid positive employee infected a large portion of your staff.

I have a work situation now where the project has come to a standstill for nearly the last three weeks because the specialist crew that is authorised to do a critical stage of the work has become Covid positive so the project has stopped until further notice. This will be particularly costly and disruptive to the client.
So apart from employees rights to choose whether to get vaccinated or not the employer has a view on the impact it can have on their business to consider as well
I can imagine that in future contracts the risk of delays due to Covid will have to be addressed, because someone will have to pay for it and it's now a known risk. Not an act of God. So this whole vaccine or not issue will have major implications, particularly for the non vaccinated.
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
I can imagine that in future contracts the risk of delays due to Covid will have to be addressed, because someone will have to pay for it and it's now a known risk. Not an act of God. So this whole vaccine or not issue will have major implications, particularly for the non vaccinated.

I was asking a mate about this who is a project manager for a large corporate with regards to liquidated damages as a result of Covid. He is expecting there to be a few legal stouches between subbies and head contractors as well as head contractors and clients over it all
I except that side of it will be ugly and future contacts will be making the necessary provisions for it
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
Well maybe if the Government did not create so much confusion and concern and changing of position with respect to the application of AZ there would not be the issue - most are happy to be vaccinated but just not with Az - even now in most areas only Az is available to the senior population where Pfizer and Moderna is available to everyone else.

Yes - I am Senior, yes I am double vaccinated with Az but have the same concerns as many with Az - I got it because it was the only one available but not expecting it to provide the same level of protection as I would have got with Pfizer or Moderna which is only available to under 59s where I live - open if the vaccines to every one and vaccine hesitancy in Seniors is gone.

The media had a field day with it and the government should of done a much better job of explaining it all to the public. Could of been handled much better
 

hiluxdriver

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The police are just doing their job, what they are told to do, what they are paid to do. I'm sure there would be some who support the protests but their job comes first. My brother is a police officer and they even get excited about having to deal with this sort of confrontation. Having to physically restrain and deal with protesters is something they enjoy. I have no time for these types as they are no better than the people who turn peaceful protests into violent ones.
People at work call me an anti vaxxer but I am not, I am all for vaccines. But the covid shot is not a vaccine. After the shot you can still contract the virus, you can still transmit the virus, you can still die from the virus. The flu shot is exactly the same. Do I get travel restrictions because I don't get a flu shot? Does my employer say I can't work if I dont get a flu shot? No. The same should apply for the covid shot. Calling it a vaccine gives off a false sense of security, which security is what the government wants you to believe you have.
 

Kippie

Moderator
The police are just doing their job, what they are told to do, what they are paid to do. I'm sure there would be some who support the protests but their job comes first. My brother is a police officer and they even get excited about having to deal with this sort of confrontation. Having to physically restrain and deal with protesters is something they enjoy. I have no time for these types as they are no better than the people who turn peaceful protests into violent ones.
People at work call me an anti vaxxer but I am not, I am all for vaccines. But the covid shot is not a vaccine. After the shot you can still contract the virus, you can still transmit the virus, you can still die from the virus. The flu shot is exactly the same. Do I get travel restrictions because I don't get a flu shot? Does my employer say I can't work if I dont get a flu shot? No. The same should apply for the covid shot. Calling it a vaccine gives off a false sense of security, which security is what the government wants you to believe you have.
Mate, no vaccine gives you 100% immunity. That's a myth. It's like wearing seatbelts, there's still a chance you die from a crash.

A vaccine reduces the risk significantly and in the case of Covid it's up to 97%. So if you want to protect yourself and those around you, you take the vaccine. No ifs and buts. If you don't take the vaccine then you're playing Russian roulette, the loaded guns are unvaccinated AND vaccinated people around you. It will be a matter of time until it catches you. There's a reason it's called the epidemic of the unvaccinated.

 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
My brother is a police officer and they even get excited about having to deal with this sort of confrontation. Having to physically restrain and deal with protesters is something they enjoy.
Not wrong, some of the comments I heard from police last year when I spent a couple of months working at their head quarters was very surprising and a revelation to me on how many of them think, especially from SOG.
Not surprised that many or even most didn't wear masks behind closed doors either, but they did use their lunch rooms and cafe along with common areas a lot...
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
@discomatt
come on mate, you are still dancing around the real issue of giving me any sort of an idea of how you think this pandemic should be handled. I am hearing plenty of what you don’t want but nothing constructive for a plan B other than a can of air freshener
You must have a better plan than that surely
 

CTL

Well-Known Member
Not surprised that many or even most didn't wear masks behind closed doors either, but they did use their lunch rooms and cafe along with common areas a lot...
When you trust your colleague with your life, I guess you can trust them not to infect you. I guess not too many occupations have that level of trust.
 

dirvine

Well-Known Member
A vaccine reduces the risk significantly and in the case of Covid it's up to 97%. So if you want to protect yourself and those around you, you take the vaccine. No ifs and buts.
The Vaccine will NOT protect those around you if you have the shot. You can still get Covid and spread it. Only difference is that if those around you have had the shot they will not get really sick and should not need hospitalization. But even then some people double vaxxed have been in intensive care. If they have not had the shot then they MAY get really sick, need hospitalization, be on a respirator and may die. All the vax really does is give YOU better protection than those who do not take the shot. And even then some question if that medical opinion is true as well.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
The Vaccine will NOT protect those around you if you have the shot. You can still get Covid and spread it. Only difference is that if those around you have had the shot they will not get really sick and should not need hospitalization. But even then some people double vaxxed have been in intensive care. If they have not had the shot then they MAY get really sick, need hospitalization, be on a respirator and may die. All the vax really does is give YOU better protection than those who do not take the shot. And even then some question if that medical opinion is true as well.
Another aspect these pro vax and control groups forget is that the efficiency figures they quote and base all their facts on only start 2 weeks after the second shot and start to wain as early as 3 months up to 6 months after the second shot. A massive 7 to 24 at best weeks protection.
Those that jumped on at the start of the rollout have already lost a very large portion of the benefit.
After I am forced to have my jabs I hope I get a case of the virus, all reports I have read indicate natural immunity gives better and longer lasting protection.
I was reading a report out of the UK the other day that suggested that in time we can and will treat it the same as a common cold, hope that it pans out that way and it can't happen soon enough.

As far as my plan B, I couldn't be bothered pointing out all the inconsistancies, lies and failures, if people think the whole thing couldn't have been handled any better we are obviously from different universes....
 

peterfermtech

Well-Known Member
Another aspect these pro vax and control groups forget is that the efficiency figures they quote and base all their facts on only start 2 weeks after the second shot and start to wain as early as 3 months up to 6 months after the second shot. A massive 7 to 24 at best weeks protection.
Those that jumped on at the start of the rollout have already lost a very large portion of the benefit.
After I am forced to have my jabs I hope I get a case of the virus, all reports I have read indicate natural immunity gives better and longer lasting protection.
I was reading a report out of the UK the other day that suggested that in time we can and will treat it the same as a common cold, hope that it pans out that way and it can't happen soon enough.

As far as my plan B, I couldn't be bothered pointing out all the inconsistancies, lies and failures, if people think the whole thing couldn't have been handled any better we are obviously from different universes....
 

Kippie

Moderator
The Vaccine will NOT protect those around you if you have the shot. You can still get Covid and spread it. Only difference is that if those around you have had the shot they will not get really sick and should not need hospitalization. But even then some people double vaxxed have been in intensive care. If they have not had the shot then they MAY get really sick, need hospitalization, be on a respirator and may die. All the vax really does is give YOU better protection than those who do not take the shot. And even then some question if that medical opinion is true as well.
You should read this and I quote:

"If you're fully vaccinated, you're less likely to pass COVID-19 onto others, including your own family and the general population."

 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Just read where a retired cop said the force must get water cannons and if they can't then get out the tear gas and give it to them.
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
As far as my plan B, I couldn't be bothered pointing out all the inconsistancies, lies and failures, if people think the whole thing couldn't have been handled any better we are obviously from different universes....

Mate you have been doing that all along and of course it could of been handled better but what direction should this have taken? Again you are full of criticism of plan A but can’t offer up a plan B
How do you expect to change people’s points of view when you don’t offer an alternative?
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
The Vaccine will NOT protect those around you if you have the shot. You can still get Covid and spread it. Only difference is that if those around you have had the shot they will not get really sick and should not need hospitalization. But even then some people double vaxxed have been in intensive care. If they have not had the shot then they MAY get really sick, need hospitalization, be on a respirator and may die. All the vax really does is give YOU better protection than those who do not take the shot. And even then some question if that medical opinion is true as well.


That is simply not correct.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
Mate you have been doing that all along and of course it could of been handled better but what direction should this have taken? Again you are full of criticism of plan A but can’t offer up a plan B
How do you expect to change people’s points of view when you don’t offer an alternative?

Yeah. Research it for yourself Alby.

Whatever the hell "it" is.

LOL
 
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