Lockdown Protests

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
So what is your point? They have a reason so just give them your details, why make an issue of it if you have done nothing wrong?
The police were there because this is where the protesters had organized a protest. This would be enough to have suspicion that anyone there may be involved. If people had a legit reason they would give their ID and there story as proof. End of story. The trouble makers know that and try to act as legal know all s refusing to give details, especially on camera to show they can do what they like. So down they go for illegally not providing details and then cry.
 

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
The police do not have the right to demand your name or address without a reason. Generally, a police officer can only ask you to give your name and address if they believe you:



  • have committed an offence
  • are about to commit an offence.

For example, a police officer can ask you for your name and address if they believe you bought alcohol and you are under 18.


Other times the police can ask for your name and address are:



  • if you are driving a vehicle or boat and a police officer signals for you to stop. You must stop and show the police officer your licence or permit
  • if you are on the tram, train, bus or on public transport property (public transport inspectors and protective services officers can also ask for your name and address)
  • if you are in a hotel or licensed premises (staff can also ask your age)
  • if they believe you have information that could help them investigate an indictable offence. They must tell you what offence they think you can help them investigate.

The police must tell you why they want your details. If they don’t give you a reason, you should ask for it.


It is an offence to refuse to give police your name and address or to give police a false name and address if they have a lawful reason to ask you for your details.
Let's break down your post :)

If you are sitting on a park bench when a protest is due to kick off, and recent history has suggested that they turn violent, then they have the right to ask for your name and address, particularly as there is a lawful direction - that the Police are obliged to enforce, then you must provide your details.

If you are sitting on that same bench any other day when a protest is not due to happen then there is unlikely to be a strong Police presence and as such you are very unlikely that a copper will get out of the car instead drinking coffee and eating a donut. ;)

If you are walking down the road going to the shops without a screwdriver, hammer or other potential break and enter tool then you are unlikely to be stopped by a copper.

If you are walking down the road going to the shops with a screwdriver, hammer or other potential break and enter tool on you or there has been an assault, break in, theft or other act in the immediate vicinity then you are very likely to be stopped.

You must always provide your details, you then have the right to report this to Senior Police at another station / LSA if you feel they have overstepped their rights and will be investigated, case in point, Raptor in NSW.
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
Having a virus lockdown protest march during lockdown is like a fireman trying to fight a fire using kerosene. The government down there must feel like they're fair dinkum trying to herd cats, and you've got people on here proudly proclaiming how they just do whatever they want anyway. These are all actions designed to make the government look bad by prolonging the agony for everyone. The virus is being used as a political weapon by the few to make the many discontented in order to bring about change. The soldiers are all unwitting people who've had their "freedom" buttons pushed and the doctors, nurses and vulnerable are all collateral damage. In an authoritarian country they would just shoot the protesters. :)
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
There seems to be a few people getting lost in all of this.

Let’s get back to the basics, we have a highly infectious virus doing the rounds and our elected government is trying to lead the community through the pandemic.
In order to limit the virus spread and allow our medical system to cope they have enforced short term lockdowns.

THAT IS IT!

There is no coo of our elected government being overthrown by the military or whoever like happens in other countries. This is not an ongoing event, they are already loosening the restrictions ( in the case of Victoria you could easily say it is even too early)
I don’t understand why a select few want to push back and prolong the agony in the name of “ freedom” o_O

It just defies logic.
 

muffin man

Well-Known Member
I pretty much agree with everything re. Police and giving details etc. But I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. It's just wrong and unnecessary.
 

John U

Well-Known Member
I pretty much agree with everything re. Police and giving details etc. But I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. It's just wrong and unnecessary.
Only unnecessary for some if the huge majority of the rest of the population rolls their sleeves up, takes the risk for the benefit of their community, and gets vaccinated.

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John U

Well-Known Member

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Yep. Looks like lockdown works to prevent influenza deaths also.
Well I have not actually looked into flu deaths as compared to Corona Virus deaths.
Give or take some variables like what has been recorded correctly in both flu and covid deaths over time , it still confuses me that some people say that "flu deaths are a lot more deaths than covid deaths so why the big deal in locking us up, etc etc. ".

Don't tell me that this is another conspiracy theory that's been pushed for one's agenda. ;).
P.S. I love this gif.
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John U

Well-Known Member
it still confuses me that some people say that "flu deaths are a lot more deaths than covid deaths so why the big deal in locking us up, etc etc. ".
They don't take into account all the deaths that would've occurred from COVID if Australia had just carried on business as usual through 2020 and 2021.
They look at the numbers that have been significantly reduced by lock down and say 'Gee, that wasn't many! Why all the fuss?'

P.S. I love this gif.
You've been rolling it out a bit. It's a good one.
 

discomatt

Well-Known Member
Interesting stats.

A graph of annual influenza deaths in Australia.



Laboratory-confirmed influenza deaths recorded by the National Notifiable Disease Surveillance System over the past five years.

Thats a lot of people who died with covid isn't it, of a population of 7.8 billion will reach 8 billion in less than 2 years with exactly the same increase throughout a pandemic that the average age of death is in the 80's.
Thank god we closed everything down and we will just have to ignore all the serious health issues that caused and will cause over some peoples whole life.
Also keep in mind Australia is the only country on the planet to mandate vaccines for the whole work force that can not work from home.
Lets hope the vaccine does cause any long term nasty side effects, we may need a heap more doctors, hospital beds and heart specialists, at least the pharma companies who saved the world will be able to sell us the drugs to keep the sick treated
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Thats a lot of people who died with covid isn't it, of a population of 7.8 billion will reach 8 billion in less than 2 years with exactly the same increase throughout a pandemic that the average age of death is in the 80's.
Thank god we closed everything down and we will just have to ignore all the serious health issues that caused and will cause over some peoples whole life.
Also keep in mind Australia is the only country on the planet to mandate vaccines for the whole work force that can not work from home.
Lets hope the vaccine does cause any long term nasty side effects, we may need a heap more doctors, hospital beds and heart specialists, at least the pharma companies who saved the world will be able to sell us the drugs to keep the sick treated
Ha! Ha! Lockdowns all over the world and looks like some countries are going into lockdown again.
So judging by the numbers in different countries we fared much better.
I wonder why? Hmm. Let me think.
No! No! could it be because we locked down, we mandated, we restricted, we vaccinated?
Oh! and for all the nay sayers, the whingers and the whiners, guess what. Yep , we will get through.
Maybe a bit of positiveness rather than the doom and gloom, it's the end of the world.
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Kippie

Well-Known Member
Also keep in mind Australia is the only country on the planet to mandate vaccines for the whole work force that can not work from home.
That's news for the whole work force...... Haven't heard that mandate from the official channels yet.
And by the way, there are many countries that require mandatory vaccination one way or another.

 

CaptainBanana

Well-Known Member
I need to question the fact that mainstream journalists all wear facemasks, yet this bloke felt he could totally disregard the facemask rule putting himself and others at risk of spreading airborne germs.
Do you have his medical advice showing he's not exempt for a valid reason?
 

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
Do you have his medical advice showing he's not exempt for a valid reason?

Exceptions

If you can wear a mask, please wear a mask. However, there are circumstances where it might not be possible to wear a face mask:

  • Where a person may have a physical or mental health illness or condition, or disability, which makes wearing a face covering unsuitable, including persons with obstructed breathing, a serious skin condition of the face, an intellectual disability, a mental health condition or persons who have experienced trauma. He certainly doesn't appear to be suffering from any of these
  • For a person communicating with those who are deaf or hard of hearing and visibility of the mouth is essential for communication. No one he spoke to fitted into these categories
  • For a person who wears hearing aids of a style that makes wearing masks difficult and where an alternative style of mask (with ties rather than ear loops) is not available. Wasn't wearing hearing aids and certainly not deaf
  • For people whose work or education means that wearing a face mask creates a risk to health and safety. He was creating a risk by not wearing one
  • Where the nature of the work or education means that clear enunciation (ie speech) or visibility of their mouth is essential. This includes teachers, lecturers, broadcasters or call centre staff. This doesn't fit as all other broadcasters in the field are wearing facemasks
  • Where a person is working by themselves in an enclosed indoor space such as an office unless and until another person enters that space. He was exposed outdoors with everyone else wearing facemasks
  • When a person is consuming food, drink or medicine. He may have been consuming something but not food or drink or medicine
  • In circumstances where removal of the mask is lawfully required for identification purposes. Nope
  • If the person is a child under 12 years of age. To be fair, a 12 year old probably has a higher IQ
  • A bridal party at a wedding do not need to wear masks during the ceremony (including photos). Nope
  • When a person is undertaking an activity within the gym, they are not required to wear a mask. However, when entering the gym or when not undertaking an activity at the gym, a mask must be worn. Nope
  • If you are required to wear other face coverings or protective equipment, such as a dust respirator mask, this counts as wearing a mask – you do not need to also wear a cloth or surgical mask. Nope
Sorry but still fail to see why he is not wearing a mask, best you have a rethink and come again.

Guys you can put all the arguments you like but it really isn't hard to wear a damn mask and look out for your fellow man, unless your the type that likes peoples spit all over you when they're talking to you whilst there is a killer virus on the loose.

If the coppers on the grounds were so heavy handed wanting to get into it with all and sundry then why did they not tackle this guy to the ground and arrest him, I would think that a charge of incitement would probably work as that is precisely what he is aiming to achieve, I think they look to be fairly well tempered.

ref:
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/conditions/infectious+diseases/covid-19/about+covid-19/protecting+yourself+and+others+from+covid-19/face+masks/face+masks
 

CaptainBanana

Well-Known Member
Exceptions

If you can wear a mask, please wear a mask. However, there are circumstances where it might not be possible to wear a face mask:

  • Where a person may have a physical or mental health illness or condition, or disability, which makes wearing a face covering unsuitable, including persons with obstructed breathing, a serious skin condition of the face, an intellectual disability, a mental health condition or persons who have experienced trauma. He certainly doesn't appear to be suffering from any of these
  • For a person communicating with those who are deaf or hard of hearing and visibility of the mouth is essential for communication. No one he spoke to fitted into these categories
  • For a person who wears hearing aids of a style that makes wearing masks difficult and where an alternative style of mask (with ties rather than ear loops) is not available. Wasn't wearing hearing aids and certainly not deaf
  • For people whose work or education means that wearing a face mask creates a risk to health and safety. He was creating a risk by not wearing one
  • Where the nature of the work or education means that clear enunciation (ie speech) or visibility of their mouth is essential. This includes teachers, lecturers, broadcasters or call centre staff. This doesn't fit as all other broadcasters in the field are wearing facemasks
  • Where a person is working by themselves in an enclosed indoor space such as an office unless and until another person enters that space. He was exposed outdoors with everyone else wearing facemasks
  • When a person is consuming food, drink or medicine. He may have been consuming something but not food or drink or medicine
  • In circumstances where removal of the mask is lawfully required for identification purposes. Nope
  • If the person is a child under 12 years of age. To be fair, a 12 year old probably has a higher IQ
  • A bridal party at a wedding do not need to wear masks during the ceremony (including photos). Nope
  • When a person is undertaking an activity within the gym, they are not required to wear a mask. However, when entering the gym or when not undertaking an activity at the gym, a mask must be worn. Nope
  • If you are required to wear other face coverings or protective equipment, such as a dust respirator mask, this counts as wearing a mask – you do not need to also wear a cloth or surgical mask. Nope
Sorry but still fail to see why he is not wearing a mask, best you have a rethink and come again.

Guys you can put all the arguments you like but it really isn't hard to wear a damn mask and look out for your fellow man, unless your the type that likes peoples spit all over you when they're talking to you whilst there is a killer virus on the loose.

If the coppers on the grounds were so heavy handed wanting to get into it with all and sundry then why did they not tackle this guy to the ground and arrest him, I would think that a charge of incitement would probably work as that is precisely what he is aiming to achieve, I think they look to be fairly well tempered.

ref:
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/conditions/infectious+diseases/covid-19/about+covid-19/protecting+yourself+and+others+from+covid-19/face+masks/face+masks
I've been suffering a continuous and ongoing never before experienced sinus infection since we've had to wear masks, so here I am as a fit 42 year old male who actually ends up with terrible breathing difficulties when wearing one of these useless things- I suggest since you don't have any idea what his problems may or may not be you keep your mouth shut.

More Muppets.
 

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
I've been suffering a continuous and ongoing never before experienced sinus infection since we've had to wear masks, so here I am as a fit 42 year old male who actually ends up with terrible breathing difficulties when wearing one of these useless things- I suggest since you don't have any idea what his problems may or may not be you keep your mouth shut.

More Muppets.
You're precisely the type of person that needs the protection from Corona Virus, can you imagine how you would fare if someone infected came near you and you caught it, I hate to say it but you would probably die from the virus

Far from being useless, maybe the ones you are using don't suit you, maybe try another brand / type, but Nurses and Doctors in a hospital don't get a choice

Do you know if he has a medical condition or are you making unsubstantiated claims on his behalf

I know a thing or two about breathing difficulties watching someone very close to me slowly die of COPD and watched him taking his last gasps of breath so save me the presumptions mate.

You know, children typically resort to telling others to shut up or name calling when they are losing an arguments instead of replying with a lucid considered response, ss to the name calling, I would have thought you were better than that, more educated but then ...

Found this inciteful bit of information on the great reporter - Avi Yemeni

Have a great day
 
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