Let's Do The Right Thing

Zamunda

Well-Known Member
We all being outdoor lovers, this is certainly quite a challenging time. I am bored out of my mind sitting at home. For the last 17 years, we've worked from home so when this stay at home thing came about, we said easy done. Then to realise, not being able to socialise, share a drink at the pub with the mates, go camping, simply SUCKS!! So here we all are truly stuck at home. Thankfully for me the Mrs shares a lot of the same interests as I do, so that helps. She still drives me nuts though.

As some of you may know, I am a recent immigrant and highly appreciate the opportunity to be part of this great country. Whilst I am no fan of politicians in general and certainly was not happy with the way our PM handled the bushfire situation, I have to cut him some slack under the present situation. The Govt has been good enough to try and keep life as normal as possible putting the onus on all of us to do the responsible thing.

We are wedding photographers and was quite horrified to see how people did not give a rat's ass about the warnings from the Govt. We covered two weddings Last weekend, absolutely no social distancing, people drinking out of the same champaign bottle, sharing snacks from the same plate, hugging and kissing galore and when we tried to distance our selves they said we were being paranoid for no reason. Two people event went to the extent of telling us "this is the govt's way of curbing our civil liberties." and another said, "it only gets the oldies." Other photographers had similar experiences.

One of the reasons we decided on becoming Australians is because we firmly believe, the vast majority of Aussies are fair dinkum decent responsible people with a very down to earth approach to life. Unfortunately though, as is happens within our 4x4 community and within any other community, it is always a minority of ignorant people that spoils it for the rest of us.

So, whilst I am confident we will get through this, in the meantime, lets spread the word so the idiots will not spoil this country for the rest of us.

PS - since we all are stuck indoors, for anyone in Adelaide, I have a heap of 4x4 magazines which you are welcome to come and take a few to read. No need to return them. Once you've finished pass them on to someone else. Let me know if you are interested.
 

discomatt

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Well written response to this crappy situation , just be very cautious about sharing magazines, this virus can live on paper for up to 2 days.
My wife works as an aged care nurse, all new supplies coming into the facility are now quarantined for 2 days
 

Bomber2012

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Its crazy how this virus has come upon us so quickly , Ive had a few trips I was really looking forward to that have been canned which is a bummer . The way I look at it now is we can all do something very positive and "flatten the curve" by staying at home and kicking this virus in the arse , this virus doesn't move , we move it . Those of us that choose to stay home and stay healthy will be first out once this virus passes .
 

dno67

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Good to see the PM getting upto speed with issues. Finally there's some good, helpful info being distributed.
It's our duty to do what we can to limit the risks to others.
 

Zamunda

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Well written response to this crappy situation , just be very cautious about sharing magazines, this virus can live on paper for up to 2 days.
My wife works as an aged care nurse, all new supplies coming into the facility are now quarantined for 2 days
I did clean them with disinfectant. But perhaps not a great idea giving them away at this point.
 

Warby

Active Member
... and another said, "it only gets the oldies." ...
It's interesting to play with the numbers on this...

See below chart I just threw together quickly from data on the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System. (ignore the crappy formatting - i've just gone with default excel settings)

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The age group with the greatest number of infections is 25 to 29 year olds, with 11.49% of all reported cases. This is followed by the 60-64 year olds (9.62%) and then 30-34 year olds at 9.23%.

If we roll it up a bit higher... 0-15,15-30, 30-45, 45-60, 60+ then it starts to look like a pretty level playing field with regard to number of infections among most age groups...
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The "oldies" are definitely over-represented though, especially if you consider the likely opportunities for exposure. People in the lower age brackets are more likely to be going to work in busy offices, more likely to be at gyms, pools, parties, pubs, clubs, etc where they will be in close contact with other people. It is also a pretty sharp indication that children really aren't being hit by this (at this stage), which I personally believe does support the government's position on keeping schools open (whether they're carrying it to transfer to teachers, family, etc is another question though which I don't think we really know the answer to....).

To be honest, I'm not really trying to answer or offer anything here. I just found it interesting and thought others might too.


Edit to add - Thinking through it more... The 60+ bracket there isn't really a good representation of this. All other age groups I've gone with groupings of 15yrs, while 60+ represents more than double that. If I stick with the 15yr groups then it levels back out. 60-74yr olds represent 22.45% and 75+ are only 7%.. "Oldies" aren't over-represented at all. (I'll leave my original thoughts etc above anyway though, if only to show how easy it is to spin this data to tell whatever story you want)
 
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Zamunda

Well-Known Member
It's interesting to play with the numbers on this...

See below chart I just threw together quickly from data on the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System. (ignore the crappy formatting - i've just gone with default excel settings)

View attachment 67070

The age group with the greatest number of infections is 25 to 29 year olds, with 11.49% of all reported cases. This is followed by the 60-64 year olds (9.62%) and then 30-34 year olds at 9.23%.

If we roll it up a bit higher... 0-15,15-30, 30-45, 45-60, 60+ then it starts to look like a pretty level playing field with regard to number of infections among most age groups...
View attachment 67071

The "oldies" are definitely over-represented though, especially if you consider the likely opportunities for exposure. People in the lower age brackets are more likely to be going to work in busy offices, more likely to be at gyms, pools, parties, pubs, clubs, etc where they will be in close contact with other people. It is also a pretty sharp indication that children really aren't being hit by this (at this stage), which I personally believe does support the government's position on keeping schools open (whether they're carrying it to transfer to teachers, family, etc is another question though which I don't think we really know the answer to....).

To be honest, I'm not really trying to answer or offer anything here. I just found it interesting and thought others might too.
it certainly is interesting. in terms of mortality, it is the older population that is at risk the most. That's because at that age many would have underlying health issues. Having said that, to a lesser degree, at any age a person could have such complications.

the 25-29 year olds may be the healthy ones who stand a much better chance of fighting this off, but they are also the ones who will spread the virus the most. So they need to be far more responsible in their behavious.
 

Warby

Active Member
it certainly is interesting. in terms of mortality, it is the older population that is at risk the most. That's because at that age many would have underlying health issues. Having said that, to a lesser degree, at any age a person could have such complications.

the 25-29 year olds may be the healthy ones who stand a much better chance of fighting this off, but they are also the ones who will spread the virus the most. So they need to be far more responsible in their behavious.
Yup, that's exactly it ....
 

Albynsw

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What do any of us know ? We just have to trust the experts and take their advice.
On Schmo I think he's doing ok even though the left are trying their best to find fault.
Just don't use the word China or you'll be classed a racist !
Schomo has not been real flash with our last run of dramas but think he is going better now. His last big address to the nation was quite good I thought, he was quite clear and focussed and explained why they are doing what they are doing.
I know there are those who have differing opinions on the lockdown timing and schools being open but he is being advised by a medical panel which I assume are suitably qualified to do so?

Timing is crucial with all of this and I get how he is trying to keep our economy running as long as he can and still control the situation. I don’t envy him in this situation, it is a tough gig.

The state premiers are doing a good job as well
 

Zamunda

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Schomo has not been real flash with our last run of dramas but think he is going better now. His last big address to the nation was quite good I thought, he was quite clear and focussed and explained why they are doing what they are doing.
I know there are those who have differing opinions on the lockdown timing and schools being open but he is being advised by a medical panel which I assume are suitably qualified to do so?

Timing is crucial with all of this and I get how he is trying to keep our economy running as long as he can and still control the situation. I don’t envy him in this situation, it is a tough gig.

The state premiers are doing a good job as well
at this point, our PM and the State premiers need all the support we can give them. I am so glad we are not in the US where powerful lobby groups seem to have a greater say than even the health experts.
 

discomatt

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IMO the kids that have it don't show symptoms therefore are not tested and not on the chart, they then spread it to the older generation who take care of the disease ridden little buggers who do show the symptoms then get tested then the kids get tested but its to late, they have had it, passed it on and then gotten over it faster than the adults so nothing shows up
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
I reckon if you started a "Let's do the right thing" page, you might get a few hundred people.
However, I reckon if you start a "Let's do it for my self satisfaction", page you will get millions of people.:cool:.
 

Triton14

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At home and can't travel. There are going to be some mighty flash 4X4's and home gardens by the end of the year!
Im sort of at the start of a few projects atm & but the problem is if I want keep going forward I have to keep making multiple trips to Bunnings & other retailers to get parts.

The overwhelming advice is if its not essential then say at home!

Even makes it hard to do the things you really want to do even if your just self isolating because the gov is asking you to!
 

itlldoo

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Im sort of at the start of a few projects atm & but the problem is if I want keep going forward I have to keep making multiple trips to Bunnings & other retailers to get parts.

The overwhelming advice is if its not essential then say at home!

Even makes it hard to do the things you really want to do even if your just self isolating because the gov is asking you to!
ring them, order it and pay over the phone, ask them to box it and have them put it in the trailer your towing and then wave as you leave. no contact ! but your business is appreciated and may keep someone employed ! ;)
 

shanegtr

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IMO the kids that have it don't show symptoms therefore are not tested and not on the chart, they then spread it to the older generation who take care of the disease ridden little buggers who do show the symptoms then get tested then the kids get tested but its to late, they have had it, passed it on and then gotten over it faster than the adults so nothing shows up
I agree with your comment, which is why I think the schools should have had something in place to minimise social interaction like every other adult activity that's currently facing limitations.
 

smitty_r51

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Having just been to the supermarket i am amazed how many people don't get it. People leaning over you to grab something or pushing past you . i took to pushing them back out the way with the trolley...come one people this isn't difficult, spare 10 seconds thought for someone else!
 

Bomber2012

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Im sort of at the start of a few projects atm & but the problem is if I want keep going forward I have to keep making multiple trips to Bunnings & other retailers to get parts.

The overwhelming advice is if its not essential then say at home!

Even makes it hard to do the things you really want to do even if your just self isolating because the gov is asking you to!
Bunnings are doing deliveries , ring them order what you need and they deliver it
 
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