LED light questions

[shaunx]

Hey guys i have decided to upgrade my lights to LED (not headlights)....

My parkers and interior lights i have sussed but what about the indicators? the front and rear indicators in normal filament style have a fair amount of resistance but LED lights don't? i have read somewhere that you need to change your flasher relay to a LED flasher relay this will bring the flashes back in time (somewhere between 60 - 100 flashes per minute)

does anyone know much about this stuff? also do you need a special LED globe for tail lights as they have two filaments in normal globes?

 

[jgcertified]

LED lights have much less resistance than traditional filament-type bulbs. You don't need special LED flashers, as you can get LED bulbs with resistors, that act as a ballast, otherwise you can fit resistors yourself.

The dual-light bulbs in the back use dual-level LED lights (Full bright with brakes on, half bright with just the tail lights)

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[centaur]

Hey guys i have decided to upgrade my lights to LED (not headlights)....

My parkers and interior lights i have sussed but what about the indicators? the front and rear indicators in normal filament style have a fair amount of resistance but LED lights don't? i have read somewhere that you need to change your flasher relay to a LED flasher relay this will bring the flashes back in time (somewhere between 60 - 100 flashes per minute)

does anyone know much about this stuff? also do you need a special LED globe for tail lights as they have two filaments in normal globes?

I have a 1985 Toyota Landcruiser HJ60, and I was looking into LED lights for it. There was no mention that the flasher had to be changed. Are you going to try and make your own, or buy them as a complete kit. I am going to get the complete kit. This way I dont have to do anything, just bolt on and use. These LED lights were in parkers, blinkers and stoplights, and front parkers/blinkers. They were a direct replacement. The stop/tail lights dont have a dual filament/LED's, they get brighter when the stop light goes on.

Hope this helps....

 

[jgcertified]

The kits come with the lights already ballasted to about the same as a filament light, so they're the best way to go

 

[centaur]

The kits come with the lights already ballasted to about the same as a filament light, so they're the best way to go

Definitely the way to go, all the hard work is done for you... All you have to do is screw them in, hook the up, and away you go.

They are made for nearly most makes and models, and as aftermarket items, are generally not too badly priced, comparable to oem!

 

[fullboar4x4]

You can buy resistors from supercheap for this purpose, i had to get one when we fitted the led blinkers to our pathy.

 

[bmurray2250]

I was talking to RACQ technical dept recently and they mentioned that changing from normal lamps to LED ones wasn't legal as the law hasn't caught up with it. LED should have same or simular light output. Philips released a halogen lamp for reversing which is great which I presently use.

 

[ray2008]

I was talking to RACQ technical dept recently and they mentioned that changing from normal lamps to LED ones wasn't legal as the law hasn't caught up with it. LED should have same or simular light output. Philips released a halogen lamp for reversing which is great which I presently use.

Then half the trucks in Australia are driving around unroadworthy. There are stacks of newer version LED lamps around now that are vastly improved over the earlier versions: Bright Light Auto Parts - LED Replacment Globes

I've got these on my Patrol and they work a treat.

Cheers

Ray

 

[bmurray2250]

I agree it is a silly issue. I will replace my lamps with LED when thy fail next. Would change to HID if someone can confirm it will not melt the reflectors.

 

[ray2008]

I agree it is a silly issue. I will replace my lamps with LED when thy fail next. Would change to HID if someone can confirm it will not melt the reflectors.

They're no good for headlights, only where you use standard low-wattage bulbs, like indicators and interior lighting. Now if you were driving a VDub, then you'd be laughing.

HID headlight conversions are currently illegal unless design approved ie factory fit. The situation with driving lights is a bit more flexible.

Cheers

Ray

 

[ray2008]

These are only bicycle lights but it goes to show that there are LED Lights and there are LED lights ...

Cygolite: Trion600 LED

I think that the example is somewhat selective (if not deceptive). 600 lumens is well below a normal halogen light output, let alone a HID globe. Headlights and driving lights need to illuminate long distances, up to and over 800m. The other thing to consider is that LEDs are still difficult to conform to high intensity, directional lighting configurations like head lights and driving lights, because you need stacks of LEDs working together.

CHeers

Ray

 

[ray2008]

Selective ????? .... absolutely .... Selected to show that LED lights are quite capable of producing very useable lighting ... for certain applications beyond what you stated below.

800m ???? ..... now thats a bit selective ... comparing a bicycle light with a Narva Ultima 225 or Bull Lamp ...





Those expensive bicycle lights would certainly make a heck of a replacement, for a map reading light in your roof console huh ???? .... sheesh, the windup LED torch I've got would be too bright for that.

As with anything, there are variations ... simply a matter of knowing that ... and choosing the right item for the task.

My apologies, I thought that we were talking about lighting for 4WDs.

Cheers

Ray

 

[bmurray2250]

I wasn't talking about LED head lights that was the HID. I am aware that they was presently illegal if not factory fitted but that is the same for LED lamps for brakes and indicators also. The good news RACQ (most like the others also) has submitted a charge to the law. HID cause of the heat, some vehicles will never be able to change to them because they will melt the reflector. The only things that we are allow to do are to replace wth improved bulbs like the Xenon for head lights and halogen reversing lamps.

 

[croozza]

I agree it is a silly issue. I will replace my lamps with LED when thy fail next. Would change to HID if someone can confirm it will not melt the reflectors.

HID will not melt the reflectors, they are a lower wattage bulb, usually 30 watts, which equates to 100 watts in the old school halogen, they are a brighter light but run alot cooler thanks to the lower wattage. HID conversion kits for headlight upgrades are available for H4, H1, H3 bulbs at the moment and retail for around $400.00, but before you buy them ensure there is room for the ballasts close by as you cannot cut and extend the power leads. Also ensure you get ones that are equipt with a magnito switch for low/high beam switching. I am going to put HID on my prado as well, I already have the Narva HID driving lights, I will not use anything else but HID now. You cannot explain the difference between hal & HID, seeing is believing, you will not be dissapointed.

 

[mulgo]

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Cheers,
Daniel

 

[MGWREF]

Two points to consider when changing over to LED tail lights.

1, If your oringinal lights have a built in red reflector make sure the LED's have a red reflector as part of the unit, if not you will have the purchase a reflector.
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2 According the ADR's all lights have to have a lumina factor at different angles and distances. I asked an LED rep, as an LED is made up of numerous LED,s, how many LED,s have to stop working before the LED does not meet the required lumina factor for the ADR. His reply we have not tested the light for that factor. So I said, therefore if one LED stops working it is a defect. He had to agree, yes.
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So guys if one LED out of 10 or 20 stops working WARANTY.

 

[bmurray2250]

It should be especially if it falls below the ADR luminous output then it is below specification

 

[kruzaman]

You can fit LED lights on your vehicles, as long as they are ADR approved. Which most that are made now have this approval.
Kruzaman

 

[MGWREF]

Yes they are ADR approved, however the important question is, at what stage do they not comply with the ADR. What percentage of LED's can be non operational for the light too not comply with the ADR luminous. That was the question the Rep counld not answer. Just keep this thread in the back of your mind when purchasing the lights (Information i have received from the heavy transport industry, is that they are going back to standard lights, because of the failing of the LED's and the cost to replace them.)
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MG