Land Rover defender vs Ineos Grenadier New 4WDs for Australia
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cam04
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The ability to "drive" a manual is going the same way as the ability to ride a horse as time progresses. Most people won't care and just want autos. Years ago I thought autos were for losers and girls...ouch 
, now I couldn't be bothered with a manual at all. Definitely less trouble, only downside is no hill starts.
, now I couldn't be bothered with a manual at all. Definitely less trouble, only downside is no hill starts.The ability to "drive" a manual is going the same way as the ability to ride a horse as time progresses. Most people won't care and just want autos. Years ago I thought autos were for losers and girls...ouch
For old farts like me and many on this forum maybe.
I loved several manual cars that I owned. They are so much more fun.
Just not a 4wd.
Getting in my kid's car and going for spins reminds me how much fun they are. My last manual car was in about 1988, a 318i that was great fun. You forget. And once you get back in your auto vehicle, it's boring.
Every guy needs to own at least one manual car for a bit of fun in their life.
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CTL
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And no stress if you selected the wrong gear for a deep water crossing
Hoyks
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Yeah, but auto's can shift quicker if you need to floor it, don't lose drive if you need to do a quick down shift, don't care if they need to change gear with the bell housing under water and can pretty much give you 1/2 a gear if you need it.
I've always had manuals, but I'd swap for an auto in the future. I've driven 3, 4, 5 and currently have a 6 speed manual, all do the job but modern auto's do it quicker, are easier to live with and better 99.99% of the time.
Even military vehicles that aim for something easy to maintain, relaible, bomb proof and go anywhere are going for auto's.
I've always had manuals, but I'd swap for an auto in the future. I've driven 3, 4, 5 and currently have a 6 speed manual, all do the job but modern auto's do it quicker, are easier to live with and better 99.99% of the time.
Even military vehicles that aim for something easy to maintain, relaible, bomb proof and go anywhere are going for auto's.
Albynsw
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I have found that the flaring with an auto box gives better control at low speeds over either being engaged 100% or 100% disengaged with a manual when testing the same model Hilux on terrain in both formats.
From a performance point of view you can’t manually reproduce the speed of an auto gear change. The official performance figures of the same vehicle in both transmission variants confirm this.
shanegtr
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Might not have been the case if it wasn't nearly double the price of a 70 series. If it was close enough to being in the ballpark of its major competitor then I would suspect that would if influenced sales figures somewhat, but from when I last seen its price I thought it was way to expensive for what it was
CTL
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You really can’t help yourself, can you?
G_ute
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Very true. I could never afford a new one and even if I could I would not. Way over priced. I only have one because it was second hand (34 years old) and I got one before the S/H prices went nuts.
Its a real shame Mercedes could not give a damn (and did not want to pollute their luxury image in AU and USA)
It could have been a big seller at the right price and a bit of marketing. Most peope have never heard of them.
They make lots of money from the bling ones (i.e. crap for remote offroading) and the tiny production line in Austria is always at capacity, selling them to rappers and rich idiots.
If I ever 'upgrade' it will be for an ex-army extra cab, if they ever become available to civvies.
/rant
LongRoad2Go
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Yes, I drive both a manual and auto for private use. Work only has autos because the vast majority of people these days can't drive manuals = very sad.
That being said, I personally like driving a manual in city traffic because it keeps me alert and actively participating in driving. I'm also a Luddite when it comes to all the new fancy sensor tech in modern vehicles - if it was easy to flick out with a screwdriver it would go.
In regards to the INEOS, there are a few issues that need ironing out e.g. where to mount a two-way radio since the traditional roof console space is taken up with all those switches, looks like the dash console space is tight for aftermarket displays, the batteries under the rear seat = maybe good, maybe bad, having all the fuses in one easily accessible waterproof location in the cabin may be good too. Hopefully they opt to pursue Toyota and do a single cab ute version.
Real competition in this market space is long overdue. Hopefully Mahindra keeps up as the 'third wheel' in the relationship. Out of conscience, won't be buying anything made in the CCP if it can be avoided.
Agreed. A great occasional fun drive, but I certainly won't be buying a manual for my everyday or 4wd use any time soon.
I still think every young guy should have at least manual car in their life.
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discomatt
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They do, it’s a 20k extra for an outdated 6 speed but th n year u need 5 k extra to get enough torque from the engine to hold 6th