rob_macca67
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Doesn't sound they are going to bring it to Australia for testing... or at least that is what they said in the video....
Land Rover defender vs Ineos Grenadier New 4WDs for Australia
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LongRoad2Go
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The BMW engine and lack of a single cab ute option will certainly make INEOS feel pain in Oz, Africa, and potential mining buys.
Since the Grenadier will be in direct competition with Toyota, INEOS should've done a deal with Isuzu and put a diesel engine in it - parts are easily available world-wide and have a proven record of not crapping themselves ... unlike Bavarian Money Wasters!
Suppose that's one of the issues when billionaires 'play cars' - prestige rather than track record.
If anyone from INEOS is reading: suggest putting a few through real world trials in 'the wild' not a 4WD park - Australia, Africa, Patagonia!
Unfortunately, I suspect it's likely to be another soccer-Mum's vehicle ... very happy to be wrong on that.
Since the Grenadier will be in direct competition with Toyota, INEOS should've done a deal with Isuzu and put a diesel engine in it - parts are easily available world-wide and have a proven record of not crapping themselves ... unlike Bavarian Money Wasters!
Suppose that's one of the issues when billionaires 'play cars' - prestige rather than track record.
If anyone from INEOS is reading: suggest putting a few through real world trials in 'the wild' not a 4WD park - Australia, Africa, Patagonia!
Unfortunately, I suspect it's likely to be another soccer-Mum's vehicle ... very happy to be wrong on that.
I've had bmw diesels - the M57 and N57 straight six twin turbos.... mounted to ZF gearboxes. I couldn't think of a better package for this 4wd than a BMW diesel and the ZF 8HP. Both these BMW engines walked all over 1VD, 1KD, 1GD, 4J that I've owned or driven. The ZF box is so good that other manufacturers copy it under licence.
cam04
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Ive just swapped back from a ZF 6 speed box (licensed) to an Asian 6 speed. The new Aisin is a smoother shift than the old clapped out box, but in every other way the euro is a better thing in the way you can drive it manually, use all 6 gears in low range, etc etc. Why even bother installing manual mode if you are going to override the driver and use the same shift points anyway?
linuxfan66
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what is the strengths and weaknesses of M/N57 and how many would you expect to apply to this product?
Dune
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It seems all 4x4's are getting 'soft' - IMO. This may be some in the 'market demographic' wanting to 'look' like they are adventurous for Coles and Woolworths car parks. But perhaps this is the way the market is going toward, who I am to question? At the end of the day it is about sales and brands will always pivot toward this perceived trend. I have a 5yr old and an 11yr old daughter that I'll be dammed if they grow up without learning to drive a manual and a capable 4WD. My 5yr old already knows what a 'Patrol' is and regularly asks to go out camping and driving, she loves it. I honestly believe that it will change the direction that 4x4 manufactures are going, if us parents instil in our offspring what our kids should expect from a capable 4x4. As a 'Gen X', growing up with diesel 4WD's and having a SWB FJ40 as my first 4WD it is almost impossible for my kids as 'Gen Alpha' to know about those times, and I do not expect them to. But I'll be dammed (and perhaps I will) if they buy any of the current '4x4's and expect they will get to the places and have as much fun as what I've had with my old, rigid chassis, all coil, oil burner. I purposely mean to leave them my Patrol, and so they may learn lesson and appreciate a time when things were simple, and just 'worked'. Function over fashion. But perhaps that is just me....
LongRoad2Go
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Know what you mean - autos and soft 4WD's are pretty much the trend. A lot of the current young generations are more into 'Glamping' and pseudo-adventure (low/zero risk) than getting out and dirty. If it's any indication, many outdoor Clubs that once had hundreds of members are now finding it hard to attract members or have long closed.
Suppose it's another thing partly caused by the crazy housing market - people simply can't afford a specialised vehicle that's used infrequently, so they just spend annual leave on organised commercial trips? There will always be exceptions, and those people will find it increasingly hard to acquire a vehicle for the purpose without spending mega-bucks, or, making a definite lifestyle choice.
linuxfan66
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your not wrong, im trying to go more remote. alot of young people today prefer city based lifestyles and you need to take massive amounts of leave to see the uinque parts of australia if you live at or near a capital city. and if your working a casualized job, taking leave is even harder. glamping is the modern way to camp, love it or hate it. also yes do you want to spend your entire annual leave on a club event every year?
In my opinion, people these days massively overstate what you need to do remote touring. Jack Absalom went everywhere in a Mitsubishi Sigma wagon. I've done a lot of remote areas in near stock vehicles. We take a work week off, plus the weekend on each side. We have to keep the destinations to a maximum start point of around 2000 kms from Sydney. So 2 days to do 2000kms, 5 days touring, 2 days to get home. It's not for pussies. We did Googs track and the lower Oodnadatta a few weeks ago and it would have been dead easy in a 10 year old Forester. Personally, I hope the glampers never go out there, it's getting too crowded as it is.
linuxfan66
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ive noticed this at least the tagalong tour im going on bands softroads like foresters despite not taking that hard a track. i think too much of the scene underestimates softroaders at this point.
LongRoad2Go
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Thanks for posting - appreciated.
All the buttons, switches and dials worry me = electronics/electricals likely to go bung in deep crossings, excessive dust, vibration. No idea about the engine/drive train - BMW maintenance/repair in the outback?
The cabin size looks like a Defender - quite tight in comparison to other 4WD's
Australian version is a 'pick up' - the one I saw was only a dual cab version. Hopefully they do a single cab eventually.
Regardless, INEOS should REALLY give me one to trial in Australia = honest review.
People are going to love the BMW engine... It makes any VDJ go and sound like a fatty slapping thongs.
There is a lot of knowledge out there re these engines as well. Any shop with a snap-on or equivalent OBD reader will be able to identify any problem and its not like any VDJ, 4j or other engines are without problems.
There is a lot of knowledge out there re these engines as well. Any shop with a snap-on or equivalent OBD reader will be able to identify any problem and its not like any VDJ, 4j or other engines are without problems.
smitty_r51
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could they not find a presenter who has, I don't know, seen a car before!!
Yeah I thought he was clueless as well
linuxfan66
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its a bit exaggerated the car just lost a rear windscreen under normal cirucmstances and he didnt bring an offroad trailer. as far i can see, it did fine. no mechanical, reliability or panel damageThis guy's a bit of a crack up, took his new Defender towing a Harley up the Birdsville Track so he could ride the Harley up Big Red. The outback just about destroyed everything.