Is this the beginning of the end for the cape .

Lost1?

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CTL, whoever wrote that is a voice of reason that may inform others how this region can remain accessible. Let's hope others heed the message.
 
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FrankP

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That's from the Cairns Post, a well known distributor of disinformation and alternative facts, according to a contact on another forum who is currently living and working at Lockhart River. He says the report is absolute crap, ie simply not true.

Given the choice between believing a Murdoch rag and him, I think I'll believe him for now and await further reports.
 

boobook

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That's from the Cairns Post, a well known distributor of disinformation and alternative facts, according to a contact on another forum who is currently living and working at Lockhart River. He says the report is absolute crap, ie simply not true.

Given the choice between believing a Murdoch rag and him, I think I'll believe him for now and await further reports.


It's not just being reported in News Limited outlets. FWIW
 

Bigfish1

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DATED 18/3/2021
 

boobook

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Interesting, that letter from NPARC says "Don't blame us, we didn't make the decision". And it does imply there has been a decision by the Gudang Yadhaykenu aboriginal corporation to ban travel, and the NPARC supports any decisions by them.

This NITV article which is as far from News limited as anything can get, seems to confirm it.


It looks like it's far from a News Limited / Cairns post beat up story to me.
 

CTL

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Interesting, that letter from NPARC says "Don't blame us, we didn't make the decision". And it does imply there has been a decision by the Gudang Yadhaykenu aboriginal corporation to ban travel, and the NPARC supports any decisions by them.

This NITV article which is as far from News limited as anything can get, seems to confirm it.


It looks like it's far from a News Limited / Cairns post beat up story to me.
Looks like a copy and paste from the Cairns Post article
 

boobook

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Looks like a copy and paste from the Cairns Post article

Possibly, it looks fairly different to me. Here is the original Post story ( below). Similar and some of the same quotes for sure. But the content seems to be different for what is the same story. Anyway, the point was that people here said the Cairns post story was fake news and typical misinformation from News Limited. My point was that it appeared first in the Post, and whatever their other track record, it appears they were spot on wrt this issue from what is public.



This article also appeared too. If true it looks like the locals are declaring war by taking number plates etc.

 

FrankP

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This article also appeared too. If true it looks like the locals are declaring war by taking number plates etc.

IF the report is true, maybe the people who are doing that are dissatisfied with the lack of a firm decision by their representatives and are taking matters into their own hands. Anyway, it's a follow up by the Cairns Post to its own prior story. If you doubt the one (I do) you have to doubt the other.

I remain sceptical about a formal closure at this stage, though I can't blame them for trying.

And if its a temporary closure while they get toilets set up at the critical locations, then its probably a good idea.

But then these temporary closures often end up not so temporary.

But then again, it is now their land, under Native Title; the TOs can do what they like. For them its an ideological battle between retaining much needed tourist income versus tourist bogans desecrating Country.

They're between a rock and a hard place, I reckon.
 

mikehzz

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They should make it escorted tag-alongs with aboriginal guides and supervision. If the children can't be trusted then they need someone to control them. That way there's tourist dollars, employment and environmental responsibility, plus the experience would be better in everyway except the tourist hip pocket.
 

callmejoe

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They should make it escorted tag-alongs with aboriginal guides and supervision. If the children can't be trusted then they need someone to control them. That way there's tourist dollars, employment and environmental responsibility, plus the experience would be better in everyway except the tourist hip pocket.

I couldn't think of anything worse.
I got my own pace and when on holidays I like to set that as I go.

Tag along do have a place but not here.
So much crap, ownership, OHAS, paper tags etc etc that goes into making these businesses. So it'll end up being a leisurely drive down a dirt track.
 

mikehzz

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It would only be above the Jardine River if you wanted to go to the actual tip. That's what they're closing. I can't see where they're closing the Tele Track.
 

SirDrinksalott

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Interesting, that letter from NPARC says "Don't blame us, we didn't make the decision". And it does imply there has been a decision by the Gudang Yadhaykenu aboriginal corporation to ban travel, and the NPARC supports any decisions by them.

This NITV article which is as far from News limited as anything can get, seems to confirm it.


It looks like it's far from a News Limited / Cairns post beat up story to me.

The traditional owners have been shitting all over it for millenia unless of course the traditional owners dont have an arse hole, yes people will shit if there are no toilets.

As others have mentioned, a permit system to pay for rangers, toilets and camp sites will mean that most of the tourists stay at the areas that the rangers are paid to look after and clean leaving the 10% who respect the land to go about their life.

Maybe even a trail rules that makes it law to carry a bin and shovel and guidance, perhaps making it compulsory for anyone renting a 4x4 to sit a 30 minute classroom session to get a 'licence' some people are morons because they dont know what they dont know.

Sick of the 'traditional owners' closing off areas because people are disrespectful, you choose to be offended, how do they know they are offending you? Do something proactive about it instead of moaning and closing off areas.
 

callmejoe

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We carry a portable potte. The 1st few times are "different" but just like anything you get use to it.

I think its more about understanding and respect for the land, regardless of WHO owns it.
 

SirDrinksalott

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We carry a portable potte. The 1st few times are "different" but just like anything you get use to it.

I think its more about understanding and respect for the land, regardless of WHO owns it.

There are cardboard ones with bag liners that are compostable, educate people and make it easy for them (eg put them in hire vehicles).
 

azriel

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I have a less popular opinion.
Having travelled through the cape for work more than leisure i think the communities, councils and sadly the elders in some cases need to take a good hard look at themselves before putting it all on the "tourists".
I have a hunch it will turn into another Mossman gorge where it will be closed and you can only go in by spending money at the tourist center and being guided by a local.
 

Bigfish1

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I have a less popular opinion.
Having travelled through the cape for work more than leisure i think the communities, councils and sadly the elders in some cases need to take a good hard look at themselves before putting it all on the "tourists".
I have a hunch it will turn into another Mossman gorge where it will be closed and you can only go in by spending money at the tourist center and being guided by a local.

Totally agree. Having worked in many dozens of aboriginal communities from 2 houses to many hundreds of houses they all have one thing in common...rubbish strewn everywhere!. Now out bush I saw a hell of a lot less. Nappies floating in rivers was a big one though..."freshwater jellyfish" was the nick name given to this rubbish. Mossman Gorge is one huge joke!! Wouldn't spend a cent on these gouging twats. The Cape is certainly littered with rubbish, shite paper and discarded camping gear for sure from tourists. I,d like to see something done about the idiots using it as a racetrack as well. An easy way to halve the tourists on the cape road......put a public weighbridge on it and anyone over weight is turned back!!!!
 

CTL

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I have driven through plenty of “white” suburbs in many capital cities and the cleanliness of some house yards leaves a lot to be desired. No better and no worse than some remote communities.
Suggest some of you should visit India or Pakistan, or any number of other countries, where it is common to see all ages and all sexes crapping in the streets. An image you can never unsee. At least you won’t have to experience that in a remote community.
But a white bogan from Sydney or Melbourne or wherever thinks it is OK to crap a couple of metres off the track leading to one of Australia’s biggest bucket list destinations?
 

dabbler

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I've done the Cape 4 times spanning 1986 to early 2000s. On trips 2, 3 and 4 the amount of rubbish, track and general damage was greater than the last. For the last few years I've been on the verge of one last trip to spend a few weeks camping traveling via PDR not OTT but who knows now.

The possiblity of closures was obvious to me 25-30 years ago. The explosion of tourists (visitors) is probably the only reason it hasn't come earlier. Catch-22 I guess.
 
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