Is 4x4 courses for newbie really worth the time and money or is it better to go out there and learn?

ThePuppySo1dier

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I am wounding is worth the time and money to do a 4x4 courses for a newbie? Is it better to do tag along, go with friends, or join a club?
Could you tell me your pieces of advice and opinions on this matter?
Thank you.
-Soldier
 

Kippie

Moderator
When I got my new 4wd I went to the Werribee training centre to get to know my new vehicle. I already have experience in 4wding, but prefer to find out the capabilities of the new vehicle in a controlled environment where help is at hand should something go wrong. I'd rather do that than going out in the"wild" and learn the hard way what the limits are and risk damage to an expensive car or injure myself by being ignorant about the car. So yeah, for a couple of hundred bucks it's worth it.
 

cam04

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I learned by doing it for years. Then I got a job that required me to do training. I learned more in those 2 days than 10 years prior. Clubs also have mandatory training days if you are a club type. I’m not.
 

mikehzz

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Most 4wd clubs have at least 4 training days a year. They are free and the standard of training is equal to or better than commercial courses. I know because I've done both. There's no requirement for you to take part in any other club activities like camping trips or meetings, nor to rejoin the club the following year. The training my club offers is basic 4wding, advanced 4wding, black diamond training, sand driving, gps, winching, first aid, bush mechanics, night driving. All these training days on different surfaces, some lasting a full weekend for around $100 when commercial courses cost you $200+ for a day? Make up your own mind on that. My experience has been that you meet a few guys at training that you click with, and you end up doing trips with them. The good thing is you all know what you are doing because you've done the same training. There's no down side.
 

Hoyks

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I went out for years alone and with mates and learnt a bit, then I got sent on 2 driving courses with the Army and learnt a lot, how to do it properly and all in a very short time. Several years later I went on an organized training day with a club to make up the numbers and still learnt some more.
Work paid me to do an advanced rider course, so again more condensed experience that would have taken years to learn (and probably heal up from) if I was doing it myself.

Training is good for getting experience as well as confidence in your vehicle in a reasonably controlled environment. It allows you you to try stuff without the risk of breaking stuff, which is not always the case when out playing with your mates on a weekend.

So, yeah, I rate training for quickly getting a range of experience, rather than the 1 experience several times.
 

Ziggy

Well-Known Member
Yep.
And a good trainer will advise on recovery gear - that can save you the cost of the course.
 

jacnden

Well-Known Member
Werribee 4wd training coarse well worth it ($300)
I had quite a few years experience and only went there because it was local and I didn’t have anything better to do.
Learnt a lot and it wasn’t just driving . Winching , recoveries , using tyre repair kit , which I’ve had but never used.
Great area there with a bit of everything, even a copy of the hardest parts of gunshot creek . Easy when your close to home!
I have been on club days and found them less than impressive . Maybe it was just that club,
 

jacnden

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does one course cover multiple terrains? Mud, sand, rock hopping ect?
Werribee didn’t have a lot sand driving but it had so many different challenges . Rocks ,mud uneven ruts , logs, creeks . It’s been a long time since I’ve been there, not sure what’s on offer now
 

Hoyks

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does one course cover multiple terrains? Mud, sand, rock hopping ect?
Generally, yes.

The one I did with Out of Town 4WD from Newcastle spent an hour or so talking about how 4x4 systems work, then most of a Saturday in the 4x4 training area at Freemans Waterhole, its an old quarry with a bit of mud, steep hills, ruts, rocks and a few wombat holes. That was a good environment as there were old school 4x4's with a stumpy handle, some with lockers and some with electronic everything, so you could stand there and see how different systems worked over exactly the same terrain. Some understanding owners would share their vehicles so you could have a try too.
Sunday was Stockton Beach (sand, oh so much sand) and snatch recoveries.

The Army ones I did were 2 weeks and 1 week, but your average civy driver can skip the convoy, blackout driving, harbor procedures and counter ambush drill components. Getting handed a Landrover and and the pre-trip brief along the lines of 'Its high speed off road driving today... try and keep up' you knew it was going to be a fun day.:D
 

Ziggy

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In Vic clubs associated with 4WDVic will likely require you to have done a Proficiency course which is half a day of theory and a day on the ground. Some clubs offer a course in-house while others direct you to 4WDVic.
https://www.4wdvictoria.org.au/index.php/non-accredited-courses
That's a start.
In my case after that I did a sand driving course of two and a half days in preparation for a Simpson crossing, and a similar course in the Vic high country.
 

cam04

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does one course cover multiple terrains? Mud, sand, rock hopping ect?
Mt cotton in Qld has a loop including all terrains, water crossings, technical hills etc etc. 2 days of intensive training in class, text books and study guides to keep in the glovebox and plenty of time in vehicle with a teacher. The club days Ive seen were nothing like that. Still informative but not close to a real course.
 

Neil Watts

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I am wounding is worth the time and money to do a 4x4 courses for a newbie? Is it better to do tag along, go with friends, or join a club?
Could you tell me your pieces of advice and opinions on this matter?
Thank you.
-Soldier

I'd absolutely recommend doing a course, especially if you have a manual gearbox. You get on forums and always hear the question, whats the first mod you would do to your vehicle? You should be the first mod, no use owning it if you don't know how to use it safely. When I booked in for my one day course the thing that resonated with me the most was when he said "we will put you out of your comfort zone" and he did. I'm glad I didn't experience that on my own or with the family strapped in the back.

You'll learn basic things that could save you a ton of grief, like stall starts. The basics of what I learnt still come to mind when on the tracks, driving through the brakes, the ruts are your friend. Most modern 4WD's make it easy these days , I've only owned my 4WD for 3 years and no previous experience, so I'm still learning. I would liken it to when you first learnt to drive, you take some driving lessons and then you're prepared for learning the intricacies on the tracks. The one thing you will always hear is "pick the right line" after 3 years driving with others, it was only the other day on this forum where someone could give me an adequate explanation of what that is.

Then do some day trips with whoever you can tag along with, within reason, you need to find like mined people. My first step was joining a vehicle specific based forum, in my case the FJCC. This enabled me to learn the vehicle specifics, simple things like how to turn off Traction control. People will usually post trips aimed at all levels, I'm not into all the macho mud slinging billy goat based tracks that some people get into but.... my philosophy is, if it's between me and where I want to go I'll have a crack. I wanted to learn how to drive all different types of surfaces, armed with the basics these are all achievable to a degree with the exception of snow and sand, in my opinion the only two surfaces that don't provide a constant.

If you are in Melbourne you will find that Sand is offered as an additional course, I think we're the only state in Aus where it's not permitted to drive on the beach. It sounds weird but sand isn't sand, the approach to sand varies around Aus. Although I didn't do a sand course, during the info night I learnt some basics just through the discussion; course sand and steeply slopping beaches, not good, for example Beech Port in Sth Aus. The sand in WA is different to driving the sand on the East coast, from experience. Driving the dunes on the West of the Simpson are different to those on the East of the Simpson, cold sand vs hot sand, its all thing you learn as you go but the only constant on sand is tyre pressures. You need to understand them and what suits your vehicle, not what someone else is running their tyres at. I've just done the CSR and the Simpson and you constantly hear over the radio; "just having another crack at that one, got hung up on the top, I'll take a bigger run up", most likely fixed with lower tyre pressure.

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Spooner

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All of the above have great merit.
The bottom line I guess is that if you don't know what you are doing , then either is a logical choice .
Get out do a course or join a club so you can at least meet people face to face and get some experience so you have at least 1/2 an idea then take it from there.
At least if you are taught or learn just the basics thats a good 1st step :)
 

Neil Watts

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Plenty of sand out in the north west of Victoria.

Guess I should be more specific and mentioned Beach Driving.

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Cokedaddy216

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The best way to learn is to take an experienced driver in your passenger seat , make a few mistakes , scare the shit out of him or her get told what went wrong & get on with it also don't be sook if you need to put down the power :rolleyes:
 

Lost1?

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Arming yourself with the basic skills and the chance to learn recovery skills is priceless. When done poorly, recovering a vehicle can be dangerous. Life threateningly on occasions.
 
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