Im sick of buying cheap chinese crap (KUTSNAKE Review)

#21
Whats that old saying ? You get what you pay for..
Not anymore mate, look at my Warn Winch $2400 plus fitting, leaked like a sieve by the design, it failed regularly during the meazly one year warranty period and because i went through a river (that's the first question ARB asked when i rang them) Obviously there out to do anything.... Hence the Winch Warranty Thread..
 
#22
Not anymore mate, look at the Warn Winch $2400
Been reading this with interest. In trying to figure out what to do to my Paj to get it to the level I want I find that I don't know who to believe. What's worse is that living in Cairns it's even harder as there's less choice available which makes it worse. Forums like this and the Pajero Club of Vic have saved me hundreds in being able to do stuff myself or at least steer me in the right direction with product choice. Having that knowledge of people who've shared experiences saved me about a grand when dealing with Mitsubishi recently.
 
#23
I do think in general things are not made as good these days! And that's driven by the consumer who wants everything cheaper! My rack for the gq is a full ally Tjm item and must be close to 30 years old and is in great shape, my bull bar I bought off eBay second hand and must be of similar vintage but I think is Arb and weighs a ton! But is slightly different to the newer Arb gq bars.
As said befor research is the key and very generally you get what you pay for. I think you need to think about your intended use and the amount of and whether it's something that's not the end of the world if it fails.( I.e draws)
 

Mr Rum

4x4 Earth Legend
#24
Taken from the ACCC website.:eek:.
Don't expect them to help, they are a joke.:rolleyes:.
You're right, they don't get their hands dirty. They'll give you advice and point you in the right direction though.
Basically, if you're dealing with a difficult retailer, you'll need to take them to court. And even though you'll have the law on your side, and an almost certain win, most people can't be arsed with the idea of taking time off work and paying for court, and that's why these shonky businesses are rarely held accountable.
 
#27
I run alloy rhino roof cages on both the 80 and the 100 and never an issue. The one on the 80 is 12yrs old and still in fantastic condition. The one on the 100 im not sure of age but looks older and still looks and feels solid az.

Sure these racks arent cheap $895 for 2.0 x 1.3 on the 80 but i feel its money well spent. We've had it loaded to the hilt on high country trips, outback trips were corrigations will soon highlight an inferior product, beach runs aplenty where salt can be an issue for steel racks.

If the need arose i would not hesitate to buy another alloy rhino rack as the lifespan iv had from mine im more than happy with for the money outlaid.
 

Buxter

Well-Known Member
#28
Funny thing is my "El-Cheepo" no name roof racks, did many a loaded up trip into the Outback, and High Country.
Buying cheep stuff is a little like entering a river in Crocodile Infested Waters, "ENTER AT OWN RISK" !
And my Runva Winch is a ripper. (5 years is up and it needs a service though, and a full report will follow)
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
#29
In the good ol days, price was a reasonable indicator of quality. Manufacturers built a product to a spec, and manufacturing / materials being what they were, that pretty much dictated the price.

Cheap manufacturing and branding have changed that. Now the 'Brand' is supposed to be the primary indicator of quality, but the reality is that expensive products are often made alongside cheaper non branded ones. Some brands like Warn, ARB and even VW and BMW milk branding for what it's worth. Other brands genuinely put the extra effort and cost into ensuring quality. Some brands, like ARB do make some quality products, eg the vehicle protection, then use 'brand extension' to make rude margins for other rebranded or exclusive products. IPF lights for example are considered supercheap auto quality, in Japan, ARB seem to have elevated IPF's market position here simply by pricing the hell out of them as ARB. They can do that because they have an exclusive agreement. The reality is that they are just cheap crappy driving lights. If you want a pair, buy return tickets to Japan, buy the IPF at a cheap auto shop, and save the change over getting them at ARB LOL. Another example of 'borrowing' a brand is Ron Moon selling the hell out of Coopers. If Ron is good, then so must Cooper tyres.

Saying I don't buy chinese crap doesn't cut it any more. Neither does buying by price. Research and real user stories are the only way to determine quality. Swaggies Winch comparo demonstrates that.

On the other hand sometimes cheaper is better. I have a bloody expensive Southern Cross tent. It will last forever. Trouble is that it's so good that it's heavy and hard to get on the roof. I often look at those $299 canvas pole tents in Rays outdoors and think that would be much better and easier, even if it only lasts being put up 50 times.
 
#30
Hi guys I baught monster flairs from cut snake Australia fitted them to the 80 they sort of look OK and are a pain to fit then I noticed the problem all the holes are not placed in the right sequence to each other and for the reason they just don't fit properly
So they told me there are new replacements coming soon and they will send new set to me witch they did one year later guess what they are exactly the same as the first set and now after three months I cannot get hold of them and nobody else can either the office phone goes straight to massage's you will never get them.
Even tried jay mobile phone it goes to message too and says leave a text massage and number and I will get back to you he never has yes. You try it won't work you will never get them they are running with tail between legs.
 

G_ute

Active Member
#35
And often you are paying a lot more for something because they spend a fortune their showrooms, flashy marketing, bloated head office and CEO pay packets.

Like walking into a spectacular casino - guess where the money for all that bling comes from. Your back pocket. Its still the same game of roulette.
 

phs

Well-Known Member
#40
Hi guys I baught monster flairs from cut snake Australia fitted them to the 80 they sort of look OK and are a pain to fit then I noticed the problem all the holes are not placed in the right sequence to each other and for the reason they just don't fit properly
So they told me there are new replacements coming soon and they will send new set to me witch they did one year later guess what they are exactly the same as the first set and now after three months I cannot get hold of them and nobody else can either the office phone goes straight to massage's you will never get them.
Even tried jay mobile phone it goes to message too and says leave a text massage and number and I will get back to you he never has yes. You try it won't work you will never get them they are running with tail between legs.
You have made a reasonable effort to contact them just raise it with your local civil tribunal
In Victoria it’s called VCAT,

they will send them a letter outlining the matter with the hearing date

Once they receive the letter they will call and settle as clearly if it goes ahead they will loose
 
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