Help! Do I purchase a Toyota 40th anniversary 1997 Land Cruiser??

#1
Since moving to Australia 3 years ago I have been working in rural Australian settings without a car. During my first year in Alice Springs I was lucky enough to make a ton of friends with 4WD's which allowed me to have some awesome outback experiences. Since moving away my ability to work and tour around Australian has been greatly impacted by not owning a car. So I've decided it's time to purchase my first 4WD.

My main goal is to own a reliable and safe vehicle which would be easy to source parts for if it fails me. I'd mostly be touring and very unlikely to ever upgrade from a beginners 4WD track (but you never know...). I love camping so I would definitely want to have a few of the luxuries to do this more often. My budget is max $20,000

Now it just so happens a Aunty is selling their Toyota 40th anniversary 1997 Land cruiser as tragically my Uncle passed away suddenly last year. Now this truck was he pride and joy so has been reported to have been very well looked after. My Aunty was told it would be worth $17,500-19,000 (not sure who gave her this estimate) and shes offered it too me for $18,000. Now given my Uncle used to handle all the 'car things' she doesn't have heaps of in-depth answers to my questions. The Specs are as follows:

FZJ80R GXL Wagon 8st 5dr, Auto 4sp 4WD 4.5i
210,000km
Unleaded Petrol
Twin cam configuration
6 Cylinder / 4.5 Litres
Coil suspension
145L petrol tank - Shes told me 'dual tanks' but doesnt know the total so this is just spec that was listed online for this model
CB antenna
New paint – 2yrs ago
Spotlight
Bull bar
Tow bar
External spare tyre
Reversing mirrors/camera
Snorkel
Tyre pressure gauge
Original radio and speakers
Functioning air conditioner
Fluffy seats and dashboard carpet (lol - technical terms I know)
Near-new tyres with good tread
Internal luggage cage (if thats what you call it...)
2x security drawers + 1x small flat drawer/sliding fridge tray (original back seats are in the garage)
Fridge freezer
* No roof rack (obviously easy to add).
* Two owners (brought off their very close friends, my Aunty/Uncle have had it for the last 12 years)
* Zero history of road accidents/only ever used to tow a camper trailer/no beach driving

I've visually inspected it and it does look flawless (remember I'm a complete newbie...). I will obviously look through the service history books, take it for a drive and have it fully inspected by a mechanic. But is there any advice that can be given? None of my family 4WD so they all think $18,000 for a 1997 truck is crazy expensive, but I've done some much looking at forums/carsales/gumtree etc to know that the Land Cruisers really do hold their value. And based on the information supplied is $18,000 too much or a sweet deal? Is there any information that I should be specifically seeking?

Please, help a newbie out! Thanks
 
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rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
#2
G'day mate and welcome. Not knowing the car it's hard to price. It sounds nice, I assume service and records are available. However something to consider is that the fuel consumption on the petrol 80's would be fairly high. Maybe 15-17 litres per 100 ks maybe even more. Pretty heavy vehicles. If doing a fair bit of touring/travelling maybe consider a diesel.
 
#3
I know the diesels hold their value better than petrol. That's very low kilometers for its age.

That is a lot but you need to think about what you want to do with it.
If you're going to keep it long term and you're the sort of person who likes to keep the vehicle in top shape then it would probably be a good buy.

Look at how you're going to use it as well. Is it going to be your daily driver? They're not exactly fuel efficient.

Have you considered getting a vehicle inspection more so to ensure there are no surprises.

I don't like to think about how much time/money I've put into mine to make sure it's ready for long trips. Family love it though and have no regrets ensuring we get there an back safely.

I hope it helps. They do grow on you very quickly
 

callmejoe

Well-Known Member
#5
Im also thinking its a little to much, being a petrol they dont hold valve like the diesel.
I'd be more in the market $10g - $15g. At best. But im a tight ar$e to
And about the motor size 4.2L was the diesel and i think it was the 4.5L petrol. I could be wrong, sure someone else could clarity.
 
#6
By the description you've given, and being petrol I'd say 10 - 12k max. Petrol 80's
While still great trucks just don't command the $$$ you mention. 15 -25k is diesel price range for late model 80s.

They are a fantastic truck and the 1fzfe engine is super reliable, their only downside is their thirsty, expect anywhere from 15 - 22 lph, even more depending on driving situation, ie - fully loaded, towing a camper with a headwind we were up around 28lph on one particular trip.

Offer your aunty 12k and explain why, if she agrees you'll have a truck that could take you almost anywhere around the country, reliably and in comfort, and with the money saved servicing schedules on diesels you can put that towards fuel
 

cam04

Well-Known Member
#7
We have had a 1fzfe in the family for the last 21 years. 500kms on it and still charging. It has been literally everywhere. I’m pretty confident you won’t find many if any with kms that low. They are very reliable and strong. As stated above they can get through the juice when heavy or towing. Having said that my old boy drove ours through the Simpson and used less petrol than my auto CRD Colorado. Work that out. It is a higher than usual price but if it is better than usual then you have some common ground. Bank on 19 L per 100 and you’ll make it home again.
 
#8
G'day mate and welcome. Not knowing the car it's hard to price. It sounds nice, I assume service and records are available. However something to consider is that the fuel consumption on the petrol 80's would be fairly high. Maybe 15-17 litres per 100 ks maybe even more. Pretty heavy vehicles. If doing a fair bit of touring/travelling maybe consider a diesel.
Yea I've been reading a bit about the diesel vs petrol debate and had come to the decision that the money spent on servicing for diesel would be equivalent to the money spent on petrol? I won't be towing either. Was there another type of 4WD within that budget range that you would suggest I consider?
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
#9
Yea I've been reading a bit about the diesel vs petrol debate and had come to the decision that the money spent on servicing for diesel would be equivalent to the money spent on petrol? I won't be towing either. Was there another type of 4WD within that budget range that you would suggest I consider?
If you are happy with petrol consumption then those cruisers are a good vehicle and go a long way. My daughter has a dual fuel 100 and her son just bought an 80 series dual fuel and last week end just tipped it over on a track. His mates righted it and he just kept driving Maybe haggle the price down a bit if it does not upset your Aunty.
 
#10
I know the diesels hold their value better than petrol. That's very low kilometers for its age.

That is a lot but you need to think about what you want to do with it.
If you're going to keep it long term and you're the sort of person who likes to keep the vehicle in top shape then it would probably be a good buy.

Look at how you're going to use it as well. Is it going to be your daily driver? They're not exactly fuel efficient.

Have you considered getting a vehicle inspection more so to ensure there are no surprises.

I don't like to think about how much time/money I've put into mine to make sure it's ready for long trips. Family love it though and have no regrets ensuring we get there an back safely.

I hope it helps. They do grow on you very quickly
My aim is another few years in Australia and during that time will aim to do a loop of Australia whilst at the same time doing contract work on my travels. So the loop would be more made up of the long sealed road trips between contract locations and then would do short trips whilst on contract to see the surrounding attractions. I usually walk or bike when doing short distances around small towns, so the main aim is getting from A to B safely in rural Australia. Yes I will be taking it to a mechanic and was thinking of maybe even asking a 4WD specialist?
 
#11
IMO. 18k would on the money for a diesel. I would be thinking
more like 14-15K for a petrol.
In the end, price doesn't really matter if it ticks all boxes and your happy.
Yea I had actually had 15K in my head as an amount I would be more comfortable with spending, but there isn't a lot on the market at that price that aren't obviously a bit haggard from their time off road. Is there a smaller 4WD that you would suggest in that price range?
 
#12
Mate that's far too expensive for a petrol 80. As a comparison Ive just bought (almost the same car) a 1997 80 series petrol auto 205,000Ks in great condition for $10500. Awesome 4by but 17--20 litres per 100ks is normal. Make sure you check the pain in the arse heater hose, its fiddly to change but make sure its in good nick because I have 2 mates that have cracked the head after heater hose leaking.
 
#13
Im also thinking its a little to much, being a petrol they dont hold valve like the diesel.
I'd be more in the market $10g - $15g. At best. But im a tight ar$e to
And about the motor size 4.2L was the diesel and i think it was the 4.5L petrol. I could be wrong, sure someone else could clarity.
Yes apologies that was a typo! 4.5L is correct.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/toyota...gxl--40th--ann--le----4x4--?id=2Y1M#collapse1
Yea I am thinking 18k is steep. I have yet to have a mechanic look over it (hopefully Tuesday) or even look at the service history so I haven't even begun to consider what I am prepared to offer. It's definitely stressful as being a newbie I also don't want to miss out on what could be a great purchase!
 
#14
By the description you've given, and being petrol I'd say 10 - 12k max. Petrol 80's
While still great trucks just don't command the $$$ you mention. 15 -25k is diesel price range for late model 80s.

They are a fantastic truck and the 1fzfe engine is super reliable, their only downside is their thirsty, expect anywhere from 15 - 22 lph, even more depending on driving situation, ie - fully loaded, towing a camper with a headwind we were up around 28lph on one particular trip.

Offer your aunty 12k and explain why, if she agrees you'll have a truck that could take you almost anywhere around the country, reliably and in comfort, and with the money saved servicing schedules on diesels you can put that towards fuel
Yea I had looked up the model on the carsale website and the price for a petrol/auto varied greatly. From what I could identify it looked like they drop value rapidly after the 300km mark (unless they were obviously a bit unloved in which case the value was even lower) to round the $10-12k. But I wasn't sure if the 210km this car has was worth the extra $6-8k
 
#15
We have had a 1fzfe in the family for the last 21 years. 500kms on it and still charging. It has been literally everywhere. I’m pretty confident you won’t find many if any with kms that low. They are very reliable and strong. As stated above they can get through the juice when heavy or towing. Having said that my old boy drove ours through the Simpson and used less petrol than my auto CRD Colorado. Work that out. It is a higher than usual price but if it is better than usual then you have some common ground. Bank on 19 L per 100 and you’ll make it home again.
If anything these replies have made me realize I grossly under-estimated the L/100km - I had read somewhere they do 10-12Lph and obviously didn't verify that number from other sites haha. So thank you for enlightening me! My work pays the petrol between contracts so those long highway road trips are covered for the foreseeable future. I'll definitely plan for 19L/100km as a good safety estimate
 
#16
If you are happy with petrol consumption then those cruisers are a good vehicle and go a long way. My daughter has a dual fuel 100 and her son just bought an 80 series dual fuel and last week end just tipped it over on a track. His mates righted it and he just kept driving Maybe haggle the price down a bit if it does not upset your Aunty.
Were the dual fuel a after market modification? I haven't read much beyond petrol vs diesel. Yea I've kind of just viewed fuel cost is just part of the package for owning a 4WD so have just expected it would be pricey. I also haven't seen many decent 4WDs in my budget where their fuel efficiency also matches good reviews on the make/model of car - unless there's something you would suggest?
 
#17
Mate that's far too expensive for a petrol 80. As a comparison Ive just bought (almost the same car) a 1997 80 series petrol auto 205,000Ks in great condition for $10500. Awesome 4by but 17--20 litres per 100ks is normal. Make sure you check the pain in the arse heater hose, its fiddly to change but make sure its in good nick because I have 2 mates that have cracked the head after heater hose leaking.
omg. that is ridiculously cheap in comparison. Am I able to ask which state that was in? And did it have any modifications?

That's probably been the hardest thing for me to calculate is the added value the car has with the listed modifications. I literally have no idea. For instance is it a $10-12k car but the modifications increase the value to $15k? - I can't even begin to answer that!

Thanks for the heater hose tip!
 
#18
Yea I had looked up the model on the carsale website and the price for a petrol/auto varied greatly. From what I could identify it looked like they drop value rapidly after the 300km mark (unless they were obviously a bit unloved in which case the value was even lower) to round the $10-12k. But I wasn't sure if the 210km this car has was worth the extra $6-8k
Maybe an extra 2k tops mate. The 10 -12 lph you mentioned would be for a diesel 80 and that would be almost bog standard with no extra weight, mods or lift added.

Unfortunately all the mods you've listed, while expensive to add to a vehicle don't go a big way to increasing its value on the market. A mod like a desiel , or auto conversion ( if manual ) do add more value.

If you do buy it you will have a car that will likely give you the next 10yrs of reliable motoring provided you maintain it properly.

We've had ours for 15 yrs now and my son now lays claim to it and loves it. Weve taken the lpg off it now as it was starting to cause head issues and are looking to fit a long range tank in the rear to increase mileage.

Good luck with your decision.
 

dno67

Well-Known Member
#19
Yea I had actually had 15K in my head as an amount I would be more comfortable with spending, but there isn't a lot on the market at that price that aren't obviously a bit haggard from their time off road. Is there a smaller 4WD that you would suggest in that price range?
A lot of these 80 and 100 series seem to get sold in a similar deal to what you've discribed, to a family friend or friend of a friend, so advertised prices can be a little off imo.
There are 80s and GQs out there for 15k but if your looking for something a little more economical, and probably easier to punt around as a daily driver.
Maybe look at a prado with service history, what would others suggest @ around the 15k mark ?
 
#20
Going to have to agree with most people here - price is too high. By quite a long way IMO. The mods are pretty much standard, probably it’s best factor is condition - many 80s are “well used”. The km are low but either suggest a lot of sitting (not great) or a lot of short trips (really bad - much worse than high highway km).

Fzj80 would be $10k max imo but would have to be special for that - you can pick up good diesels for sub $10k. Have a look at gumtree or Facebook (if you look at car sales generally take off about 40% for an accurate figure) for pricing. Six months ago I got an 2000 fzj105 (same mechanicals bigger body) with 260k km, arb twin locked, 2” lift with Mickey Thompson 285s and airbags, steel roof rack, red arc dual batteries system, high flow safari snorkel, extractors, roof DVD player and rated recovery points for $6.5k. Admittedly it was in qld and no red but If you want one for a good price they’re out there

Your problem is you risk upsetting your aunt due to the situation. And at least you can trust her, not an unknown seller. And there’s no messing about with the sale.
 
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