Dry Ice

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Hi All,

Just a question on the use of dry ice.

Given that dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide, and as such not a terribly great thing to breathe in to any great extent, what are peoples thoughts on using dry ice in the esky while travelling ?

Does anyone use dry ice for keeping the contents of the esky cold ? If so, how do you find it lasts ( in block form ) as opposed to normal ( water ) block ice or ice bags ? I will eventually buy a 3 way fridge, but need to justify the dollars first.

Is there a need to keep one of the windows open slightly while travelling ?

Any thoughts or feedback appreciated.
 

BUSHNUT

Well-Known Member
Don't like the idea at all, the CO2 factor for one, even though you think it would be well vented, you are not going to know when you pass out . the common cold esky that you get in department stores are not woth a bumper, good only for a day at best with normal ice. top of the range is something like the EVACOOL, they are fantastic, a block of ice will last a week if it isn't constantly openned,, equally I have found the TECHNICE mob down at Tooyal st Frankston have a very good unit very simillar and theit freezer modules instead of ice are very good and very cheap .
Don't go the dry ice bit , very dangerous, even to handle which is something to consider with kids .
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
Don't like the idea at all, the CO2 factor for one, even though you think it would be well vented, you are not going to know when you pass out . the common cold esky that you get in department stores are not woth a bumper, good only for a day at best with normal ice. top of the range is something like the EVACOOL, they are fantastic, a block of ice will last a week if it isn't constantly openned,, equally I have found the TECHNICE mob down at Tooyal st Frankston have a very good unit very simillar and theit freezer modules instead of ice are very good and very cheap .
Don't go the dry ice bit , very dangerous, even to handle which is something to consider with kids .


CRIKEY BUSHNUT!! :eek: A bit rough there!! :confused: A few facts off the top of my head first. Dry Ice is not frozen. It is created when pure CO2 (99.8% pure) is placed under presure in a chamber. It comes out like fairy floss and then pressed to pellets or blocks. Dry Ice is not a everlasting product. It can only be kept under controlled preasure. If I remember correclty, it's about -75 deg. C.
For the average person who go's away 3 or 4 times per year, it is ideal. Dry ice can last up to approx 12 days, sometimes longer depending on size of the esky and quantity of dry ice in esky. A block 12 kg's is about the size of a Besser Block and will last at least a week in a GOOD QUALITY ESKY. The new age rotomoulded eskys claim to be Dry Ice friendly, although you will get heat exchange through the unit therefore condensation and frost on the outside. The ultimate esky's are the fibreglass one's with closed cell uerothane. Eg. Evercool.
Dry Ice is quite safe to use in cars providing there is sufficient ventilation. Oxygen levels must be depleted to about 18% oxygen for a person to pass out. That's ALOT of Dry Ice. Put your aircon on fresh. More than sufficient. I've sold literally THOUSANDS of tonnes of Dry Ice and never heard of a problam with oxygen deprivation in a vehicle. We carry Dry Ice in the cab of trucks with no problams. CO2 is non-toxic. It however can be an asphyxiant in LARGE quanities.
Downsides to Dry Ice is it can freeze food or blow up anthing carbonated if not packed correctly. Also, fresh foods including fruit, veg, meats, etc must be sealed airtight to avoid being carbonated. (absorbing CO2 into the flesh and making it fizzy to taste.) Ever tried a fizzy tomatoe?? Tupperware, snaplock bags, cryovacking, heaps of glad wrap, etc is usually sufficient.
Cold burn can occur if products are placed directly on the Dry Ice. If you want to keep a product frozen, place a folded towl on Dry Ice an d product on that. Dry Ice should always be wraped in paper if only for handling. I handle quite easily with no gloves or paper, but I'm used to it. If you wish the move it unwrapped, just use a tea towel or something. It takes alot of burning to do any real damage. My 6 & 4 year olds play with for fun because it fogs in water. They very quickly learned how to handle it!!
To keep beer and soft drinks cold, Place the dry ice in a plastic bag and seal it as much as possible. Poke a pin hole in it to stop it blowing bag up. Put ice in esky and carbonated drinks in ice away from Dry Ice. The Dry Ice will keep the wet ice frozen for days. Although it will disipate quicker in water ice. Keep your esky on a small angle and drain several times per day to avoid getting Dry Ice wet.
As your esky depletes, replace what has been taken with something else. eg. Towels. Volume of area and water is the biggest killer of Dry Ice. Keep your esky full, dry and tight.

Dry Ice is a great thing for occasional campers and is good value, even though it is reasonably expensive. A 10 kg block could cost around $50. It should last around 5 days, possibly more. Buy 4 bags of ice each day for 5 days on Fraser Is. for example. It could cost up to $100 at $4 per bag. Not unrealistic.

I still use dry Ice when going away even with 2 fridges. I use it to keep bags of ice frozen for my BUNDY Because you've got to have ice in Bundy.:D

Any questions???

Cheers
 

Grumpy

Moderator
That was a great explaination Frosty but there again I would have expected u might have some idea about the product. CHEERS
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Thanks Guys,

I think that answers my question/s in enough detail. Kids are old enough ( 13 + ) to only touch it once and if it can last a long weekend without the need to restock on bags of conventional ice, then great, looks like it might be given a try over Easter. Not sure where we are going yet, but hopefully somewhere out of the way. Might try some of the campsites along the Tanjil River somewhere.

David
 

rexy

New Member
Dont you just add some water in to a sealed container/empty bottle? and bang. They were going off left right and centre southern 80 weekend last year. We actually changed camp spots this year as after 3 nights in a row of explosions at all hours it got a bit tiring.:D Funny at first though.
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
:rolleyes:AAAAHH... It's the correct amounts of each ingredient and the choice of container! AND WHAT GOES OVER THAT FLIES!! Be careful though, blew my own office windows out once. :mad:
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Might sound a dumb question, but where out this side of Melbourne ( Berwick/ Beaconsfield / Dandenong etc ) can you get dry ice in block form. Everywhere I have contacted, including the larger BOC Gas and Gear places only have it in pellet form. Have tried party supplies, BOC, Supagas, yellow pages, internet and so on, all only pellet form.

Any ideas

Thanks
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Might give them a call tomorrow and see what they have.............Thanks
Looking at Google, it looks like they are called Aussie Ice and Cold Storage
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
I'm pretty sure they still carry it. If they don't, Yellow Pages, Ice Supplies. Most Iceworks do carry it.
 

rodeo2005

New Member
Thanks Guys,

I think that answers my question/s in enough detail. Kids are old enough ( 13 + ) to only touch it once and if it can last a long weekend without the need to restock on bags of conventional ice, then great, looks like it might be given a try over Easter. Not sure where we are going yet, but hopefully somewhere out of the way. Might try some of the campsites along the Tanjil River somewhere.

David

The army has been using the stuff for years with hession wrapped around it with no worries. Also worth using block ice as it lasts longer than party ice.Just fill up milk containers etc.....less mess that way.
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
More often than not the simplest ideas are the best, and the ones overlooked. I think I'm too used to just buying the ice from the local service station or bottle shop. The freezer is now full of 4 litre ice cream containers, soon to be block ice.

Thanks
 

Davidman

5th Annual Victorian Gathering member
Oh yeah, an update on the dry ice. The place in Cheltenham Road doesn't sell it to the public and BOC Gas and Gear only had a few kilo's of pellets left, lady told me they would all be gone by tonight anyway.

Thanks for all the advice
 
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