Drive a Hummer - Be Safe

Patriot

Administrator
Here is an interesting article from Tassie.

Doc drives Hummer as protection against dangerous drivers

Tina would love a Hummer. A Diesel Hummer even more, but not sure when they are coming out.

She would love one, and I would love to take one offroad. I am just not too sure how the topic of 'minor panel damage' would be handled.

That said, I think it would be pretty safe on the road.

James
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
Bit over the top!! a little. It doesn't matter what you drive, sometimes, it's just out of our control.

Is a Hummer that much"safer" than a Falcon or Bomadore??? Or is he trying to make a political statement???

And HAROLD SCRUBBY,,,, BITE ME!!!! :mad:
 

millsy

4x4 Earth Contributer
Sorry Frosty, but you asked for it!
There's some good physics in your comment about the Fords and Commys;

Newton's Three Laws of Motion.

3rd Law - Big car hits little car = little car hits big car = same force on each!
( Newton's First Law; If object A puts a force on object B, then B puts an equal and opposite force on A OR For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction )

BUT, by the 2nd law - the "same force" on the little car will produce a large acceleration (of that car), and the "same force" on the big car will cause a smaller acceleration (of the bigger car).
( Newton's Second Law; If a (net) force acts on a mass, then the mass will accelerate. The size of the acceleration is in inverse proportion to the mass - the bigger the mass the smaller the acceleration, and vice-versa )

This means that if it was a head on collision say, the Hummer will slow down a little, and the smaller car will slow down a lot, depending on the actual difference between the two masses of the cars.

(The second law can be rewritten mathematically to come up with an equation called the Law of Conservation of Momentum. This equation, or formula, can easily work out the exact changes in the speeds of the two cars, given their masses and their speeds at the time of impact.)

And finally the 1st law - the passengers in the Hummer will keep moving at their initial speed ( the Hummers speed of impact) until they hit their seat belt.
( Newton's First Law; A moving object will continue to move at a constant speed, and in a straight line, if there is no net force acting on it. And, an object at rest will remain at rest if there is no net force acting.)

When they hit the seat belt, then the belt will be moving a bit slower than them, because the Hummer has slowed down in the collision. So now the seatbelt will stretch as it slows the passengers down to the new speed of the slowed down Hummer. Because the Hummer only slowed down a bit, they should not hit the windscreen ( hopefully not ).

But in the small car, since it slowed down a lot, then the seatbelts have to slow down its passengers by quite a larger amount than for the Hummer. If this speed change is too large, then the seat belts might have stretched so far that the poor passengers end up hitting the dash or the windscreen before they come to the same speed as the small car after impact. This speed might even be in the reverse direction. This is as what happens when a car meets a loaded semi in a head on collision!

And as far as side impacts go, you can imagine the car sliding under the Hummer ( if its midships ). This is not going to do the small car's passenger's heads any good. But it could also mean the Hummer could get knocked over onto its side. Again, this is going to depend a bit on the mass difference between the two cars, and the actual speed of the smaller car as it hits the Hummer.

In this case I am pretty sure there is a fair amount of research to say that the passengers, or driver, in a 4WD, on the side that hits the ground, could get badly injured. Mainly because they are 'falling' from a higher place compared to a standard car. Although these days with those side curtain airbags they will stand a better chance of surviving.

Hope this makes sense! Its a bit long winded - as usual! Millsy.
 
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Patriot

Administrator
I agree with all above. Harold Scruby is an 'interesting' character. Not sure where he gets his data from.

I would like to think that I am a safe driver, but you still have to worry about the other guys on the road. I know everyone can't think like that otherwise we would end up with a motor car arms race and everyone driving around in Abrams tanks (sweet!).

We both would be upset at panel damage in a vehicle worth that much. I know the minor damage in the Patriot got unfunny very quickly, so it was just easier to get the Maverick for serious offroad.

Tina has added this to her list of reasons to get a Hummer.

James
 

goldrush

Moderator
The major problem I have with the Hummer is the fuel consumption versus fuel capacity. This severely limits the off road range of the Hummer and makes it impractical from my point of view. I'd hate to take one to "The Cape" because of the amount of extra jerry cans you would have to take along.
Also agree with Frosty...........When Harold Scrubby is finished with Frosty he can bite me too!!! Tosser! He states that pedestrians are the largest road user group. Up here in Qld we make pedestrians walk on the footpath to keep them off the road. If pedestrians are the largest road user group how about we start charging them rego fees to maintain the roads that they use. Also start fining them for offences such as failing to give way, obstructing the flow of traffic and travelling at speeds well below the posted limit.
Opinions anyone?
 
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Blue Dog

New Member
Goldrush would you take a ULP Pathfinder or jeep rubicon, to the cape they have less fuel capacity and get the same or less economy than a H3.
And a H1 gets as good if not better fuel economy than a Landcruiser V8 deisel and has similar fuel capacity but being 200mm wider could be the only problem for them although they are shorter and better aproach and departure angles.

Or did you mean you would not take a mid size petrol 4x4 to the cape because of the fuel capacity and consumption ;)
 

Patriot

Administrator
I did a quick google and found this, so it didn't do too badly. The right foot part of the test let it down. If it wasn't for that it would have down really well.

James
 

frosty

4x4 Earth Contributer
We can't compare H1, H2 and H3 to each other. The 1 & 2 have similaritys but the H3 is a totally different kettle of fish. Other than asthetics, it has next to no mechanical similarities. The H3 Hummer has a good star rating but the H2 does not. I don't know if the H1 can be crashed without destroying the test facility! The H3 is more similar to a Rodeo than an H1 or 2.

Harold Scruby has no clue. He's about as much fun as heart surgery! I reckon some one ran over his toes with suzuki sierra. Now he wants to ban them all!!
 

Blue Dog

New Member
The H2 and H3 would be more related to each other the H1 is nothing like either it runs full independant suspension , inboard discs, deisel motor { in most} no interior comforts, geared hubs, alloy body, glass hood the list goes on and made by AMG not GM.
The H2 and H3 both GM items would be closer related with similar body / chasis layout and drive line set ups with solid rear with leafs and ifs torsion bar front.
I think if the Hummer brand only had the H1 and H3 they would not have such a bad rep as the H2 is the Gas Guzzler in the group with the thirsty petrol V8 and the pimp it crowd may have stuck with the Escalade.
 

centaur

Member
The major problem I have with the Hummer is the fuel consumption versus fuel capacity. This severely limits the off road range of the Hummer and makes it impractical from my point of view. I'd hate to take one to "The Cape" because of the amount of extra jerry cans you would have to take along.
Also agree with Frosty...........When Harold Scrubby is finished with Frosty he can bite me too!!! Tosser! He states that pedestrians are the largest road user group. Up here in Qld we make pedestrians walk on the footpath to keep them off the road. If pedestrians are the largest road user group how about we start charging them rego fees to maintain the roads that they use. Also start fining them for offences such as failing to give way, obstructing the flow of traffic and travelling at speeds well below the posted limit.
Opinions anyone?

I agree, if they want a say, start making them pay for the privilege, we have to. We pay, and still have bugga all say.

Harold Scrubby can chew on my bum dags...........
 

millsy

4x4 Earth Contributer
If you guys are using pedestrians as fish bait, then bugger! You caught me!!

You realize we are all pedestrians. Do you really want to pay twice for the use of our roads - once as the driver and twice as the shopper/get fit jogger/etc etc

This is especially true in the big shopping centre car parks. Some people drive way too fast. Then when they get out of their car and walk across to the entrance they put their other hat on and expect other drivers to slow down and let them walk around in safety. Split personalities!

Millsy.
 
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croozza

Active Member
Did anybody catch ACA tonight, as it was on it. And they had that wanker pedestran advocate guy on it. Which makes me wonder is he looking at this site under a different name????????
 

darlingd

Member
I heard the hummer has a 2 star safety rating but a Hyundai i30 is 4 or 5 stars.

Problem with the star ratings is they are not comparable across different classes, but only within the same class. If you crash a 5 star i30 with a 2 star hummer, I would bet my life savings the hummer would fair better, just because of its greater mass.
 

Patriot

Administrator
I did a Google on our good friend Harold Scruby and he has someone that keeps an eye out for his name being mentioned in forums so he probably is reading this. Hi Harold! It is kind of strange, we are all pedestrians and most of us are drivers.

With the Hummer and fuel consumption, that is why we are keen to wait for a diesel version. I don't know why but diesel isn't very popular in the US, so we will have to wait and see. The current automobile industry Armageddon could mean that we will have a while to wait a while :(

James
 

croozza

Active Member
I did a Google on our good friend Harold Scruby and he has someone that keeps an eye out for his name being mentioned in forums so he probably is reading this. Hi Harold! It is kind of strange, we are all pedestrians and most of us are drivers.

With the Hummer and fuel consumption, that is why we are keen to wait for a diesel version. I don't know why but diesel isn't very popular in the US, so we will have to wait and see. The current automobile industry Armageddon could mean that we will have a while to wait a while :(

James

So would he be the right hand or the left hand that does the wanking for him, then old mate harold explodes with his stupid claims.
 
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