Dmax failure on the canning
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that was a sobering moment to watch, how quick you can get into big trouble , but with a group there is help
on saying that, i have never been a fan of airbags on leaf springs, he's lucky the chassis didn't go , but surprising the diff housing let go
on saying that, i have never been a fan of airbags on leaf springs, he's lucky the chassis didn't go , but surprising the diff housing let go
callmejoe
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That's the 2nd I have seen, and funny enough, the other 1 last year was also from the Canning.
4x4 club insurance actually had it picked up and returned to Vic..
Joe
phs
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Who knows what the cause was could have been weight related could have been driving style could have been a manufacturing issue
It been done to death but Adding helper airbags can be an issue, having had an Air bag rear ended there not great on corrugated roads more axle tramp, even with half decent adjustable shocks.
It’s a tuff one what other options do you have, you go HD springs and run unladen day to day the ride is terrible, you go std springs drives well day to day but sags when loading for a trip
It been done to death but Adding helper airbags can be an issue, having had an Air bag rear ended there not great on corrugated roads more axle tramp, even with half decent adjustable shocks.
It’s a tuff one what other options do you have, you go HD springs and run unladen day to day the ride is terrible, you go std springs drives well day to day but sags when loading for a trip
Albynsw
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From my experience the more people you go with the more chances that a situation will arise that will jeopardise the group.
My mechanic who used to maintain the National Parks fleet of vehicles said you need to be in Landcruiser or Patrol range of vehicles for that type of driving long term, the rest are medium duty and failures will develop over time which I found out myself after clocking up a few K’s on my Hilux which is why I bought the 79.
My mechanic who used to maintain the National Parks fleet of vehicles said you need to be in Landcruiser or Patrol range of vehicles for that type of driving long term, the rest are medium duty and failures will develop over time which I found out myself after clocking up a few K’s on my Hilux which is why I bought the 79.
greysrigging
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Same experience here..... and it has nought to do with brand bias.....after all who in their right mind pays 80+ K for agricultural tractor type Utes ? Unless of course you want them to last out west and north of Woop Woop.
There is a reason why Patrols and 'Cruisers are endemic to the outback, and not just for casual tourists, I'm talking about the people who make Woop Woop home.....
My mechanic son, who did his apprenticeship on BMW, Rover and Volkswagon, now works at a local quarry and earthmoving business as their LV Fitter...... 75% 'Cruisers, 20% Hilux and 5% Amorok..... second day on the job, he's got not 1 but 2 engine transplants to do on the Amoroks. My young bloke reckons the fancier newer light utes need meticulous servicing, whereas the 'Cruisers will still put out half a million klicks neglected....
mauriceb
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Photo's of the same rig and a second Isuzu with almost similar problems.The one from the video is also on the Canning group. Lots of vehicle failures this year. https://m.facebook.com/groups/1400726663502682?view=permalink&id=2315408752034464 . All our Aussie tracks a now flogged to dead. I would say social media contributes a lot to this. Going by all the reports the Canning is very chopped up and corrugated ,people not driving to the conditions ,overweight and incorrect loading on tray backs and dual cabs plus high tyre pressures and towing heavy trailers. I am familiar with the track as I have travelled it 3 times.
Aaron Schubert
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Not good; certainly one way to end a trip. I guess we will never know what the actual cause was. A reminder to keep the weight down and drive with lots of mechanical sympathy!
Aaron
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typhoeus
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Airbags at high pressure are like solid (no) suspension, something's gotta give. At least with the old pump-up shocks we used when crossing the un sealed nullabor back in the day, the worst that could happen was to rip the shock mount off or pop the bag itself. Failure will always happen at the weakest point, so it smart to make the weakest point cheap to fix.
Batts88
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Usually if the airbgs are to hard the chassis bends or cracks above the bag these vehicles seem to have a rear axle housing issue they break without bags as well. Light weight vehicles not designed for harsh off road conditions may be or it seems the left side breaks could also be a manufacturing fault.
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rogerazz
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I was considering buying a late model D-Max to replace my old 91 Troopy for a little more comfort, automatic for my missus ( both knees replaced) and good value for money???? However my missus was right, she did tell me that I would never sell the old girl. Bought her a few years ago after someone took her around Australia ( the Troopy I mean). Yep , rough as guts however it is low mileage, only having done 410,000 ks.
Ah well, I guess I will never have auto, cruise control, lane change warning, ABS, autonomous braking, stability control, air bags, parking sensors, remote open close, alarm system, Navigation screen, stereo, decent hand brake, decent seats, turbo, diesel, coil springs, EGR, DPF, no sensors at all ??? etc., etc.
Might go out and buy a cup holder option though, to make it a little more comfortable for the missus.
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Ah well, I guess I will never have auto, cruise control, lane change warning, ABS, autonomous braking, stability control, air bags, parking sensors, remote open close, alarm system, Navigation screen, stereo, decent hand brake, decent seats, turbo, diesel, coil springs, EGR, DPF, no sensors at all ??? etc., etc.
Might go out and buy a cup holder option though, to make it a little more comfortable for the missus.
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typhoeus
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You know, a good comfy set of seats is an easy upgrade, . . You"ll fall in love with her again. . ( the troopy, that is, . . And maybe the missus too!!!)I was considering buying a late model D-Max to replace my old 91 Troopy for a little more comfort, automatic for my missus ( both knees replaced) and good value for money???? However my missus was right, she did tell me that I would never sell the old girl. Bought her a few years ago after someone took her around Australia ( the Troopy I mean). Yep , rough as guts however it is low mileage, only having done 410,000 ks.
Ah well, I guess I will never have auto, cruise control, lane change warning, ABS, autonomous braking, stability control, air bags, parking sensors, remote open close, alarm system, Navigation screen, stereo, decent hand brake, decent seats, turbo, diesel, coil springs, EGR, DPF, no sensors at all ??? etc., etc.
Might go out and buy a cup holder option though, to make it a little more comfortable for the missus.
Barra GU
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Yeah nah not my type of 4wd trip...
I'll stick to hard technical tracks and if something breaksi can get parts to me pretty quickly...
This sort of remote travel doesnt intrest me one bit.
Shit goes pear shaped quickly out there amd youre on your own.
Kudos to anyone that likes this sort of travel.
Dont know what you enjoy about it but each to there owm i guess
I'll stick to hard technical tracks and if something breaksi can get parts to me pretty quickly...
This sort of remote travel doesnt intrest me one bit.
Shit goes pear shaped quickly out there amd youre on your own.
Kudos to anyone that likes this sort of travel.
Dont know what you enjoy about it but each to there owm i guess
Albynsw
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Each to their own of course but mate you don’t know what you are missing.
Remote Australia has an effect on you you can’t describe. It just keeps drawing you back and you can’t get enough of it. It is a strange thing but it does get under your skin. The first time I went out there and crossed the Simpson with my family I got home and two weeks later I jumped back in my ute and had to go back again
The 4wding part is just part of what you do to enjoy it.
phs
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Just so much diversity, so many beautiful places to see the more remote it is the more it draws you in.
I can’t wait take our young family on a few of these longer remote trips !
Barra GU
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Remote outback racing ive done... amd thoroughly enjoyed when we competed in outback challnge in broken hill. But given it was under rally safe conditions we knew help wasmt far if things wemt wrong...
But i guess for me travelling down a corrugated road for hundreds of klms to see red dirt etc just doesnt have the same excitement as trying to get my rig up some gnarly track.
I domt knownif its an age thing (im 38) but that type of touring just doesnt grab me...
I could do ott cape York but no intrest crossing the simmo etc.
I alsp have a mate that lives in Darwin and he does alot of this stuff but i just cant wrap my head around it...
I may change my mimd one day but for now i prefer what i do.
Good recovery though watched the whole video
Swaggie
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I get the same feeling in The High Country...I prefer a pristine river to camp by....I hate camping away from one to be honest...
There's something about desserts that just doesn't make my bucket list. A few mates have travelled the Canning, Simpson etc..I'll probably do the Simpson at some stage but I don't like the idea of rattling my brain box for thousands of kilometres it's rattled enough...