The combination of heavy car and minimal rubber does make sand the D4's worst surface imo. @discomatt is absolutely correct saying you have to learn how to drive it. I've seen really experienced drivers sink them on their first drive.
Hence why the mention of Ron moon. If he cant get his own D4 going in the soft stuff it’s pretty fair to say nobody will. As I said, I like them (I believe Mr Moon also loves his in most places) but there’s no glossing over the fact that that rubber is there for autobahn performance at the cost of off-road performance. Owners needing to find aftermarket 18’s to get some sort of floatation is already mentioned here and in every Rover forum on the planet. Do we say to the OP that a standard D4 is going to struggle to tow in soft sand? Absolutely.
As do most, no 4wd needs no mods to get the most out of it, all other 4wds get a 2 inch lift, not required, all other 4wds get recovery points, not required as they come standard, all other 4wds get AT's at the least mmm same same.
Does my D1 with 85 profile work better on soft sand yes without question is the D4 better in every other aspect ? by a million miles
Once I worked out the electricery of the D4 in the soft stuff it was as good as all the other cars in the group even with only 65 profile tires.
The 55 profile would without question struggle in soft stuff IMO but plenty on AULRO have aired down to 15PSI and found them to do well
Some vast generalisations there but we understand you are a defensive rover owner. I drive a pretty standard company Ute which embarrassed it - let’s keep things in perspective. It’s just about the tyres and to change them isn’t as simple as buying a size bigger next time you are due for rubber. I’m glad to see you accept it is just simple physics.
I have been 4wding with some pretty standard utes in my standard car and the utes were an embarrassment. The standard 1990 troopie tat was with us that had brand new BFG ATs was excellant and was able to keep up but not the standard utes - the other exception was a standard Defender 130 ute that also managed to keep up.
Sorry Cam but after years of 4wding I am yet to see any standard ute embarrass any Land Rover , let alone a D4.
The D4 driver obviously was not getting the most out of the car which in his defense is very easy to do.
No guessing mate, anyone who saw me on the first day or so at the last Earth gathering in SA would have also assumed / guessed that D4's are crap on sand and I was convinced they were crap on sand, um sorry not the case
Crap driver not car
In Matt's defence I have read many forum posts where owners of D4, RRS and the new Disco have been disappointed in off-road abilities - until they have completed a Land Rover Experience course and learnt the best ways to get the most out of all the functionality that is available. If I ever decide (or can afford) to move on from the D2 it will most likely be to a D4. But lets wait and see what the new Defender is like.
Would it be embarrassing enough for me to own? It looks like it has pram wheels and no space in the arches to upsize. The look is very D4ish but I doubt there is air suspension. My guess is that a lift for it is a long way off. I want a Land Rover version of that Raptor, built so you don't need to modify anything.
Mike maybe you could put a Raptor sticker on one, that would be pretty embarrassing. But yes it looks to D4 ish to me. I hate the styling of the new Discovery it now just looks like every other car on the road.
The thing I have always liked with the LandRover brand is that they always have a distinct unmistakable look. Love it or hate it it is unmistakably Landrover, that seems to be diminishing