bmurray2250
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Interesting read
Diesel fuel additives
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daweclan
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I just put another one up under heading 2 stroke in diesel. Would be good to get peoples thoughts on this, as i said i am doing it with very noticable results. Cheers
bmurray2250
4x4 Earth Contributer
Would be good to get some fuel stats between additive and none
daweclan
New Member
Im'e getting around 30-40 more Ks a tank since using it.
bmurray2250
4x4 Earth Contributer
That is pretty good
croozza
Active Member
In Qld we have had this diesel for a few years now, the only problem that occured was leaking seals on the fuel pump for which BP (who brings in all diesel for Australia) paid to repair, ULSD has no real detrimental affect with lubrication. So in a few words it will not harm your motor.
daweclan
New Member
Geez i wish i knew they were paying to fix em, I had mine done and from doing a few a year to doing 2 or 3 a week now ,since the new diesel arrived, my mech. said its the fuel,lack of sulfer!Read this test result on wear with the low sulfer diesel http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf
capemanifold
New Member
Do any of you guys have any idea if you can use diesel fuel additives in the newer common rail diesels that are fitted with a DPF (diesel particulate filter) ?.I have been keen to try additives but not so keen if it causes drama with the DPF ,does any one have an idea ...cheers
croozza
Active Member
There is no reason why you couldn't. I think it is only some types of bio diesel that you cant use, but I could be wrong.
Fox Shooter
New Member
I use Flash Lube in the missus NS Pajero which has a DPF since it was new, so far it has 24000k's and no issue's
Rossco
capemanifold
New Member
Foxshooter has Flashlube improved your economy at all as mine is pretty ordinary ,suppose it is a bit hard to tell if you have used the product since new.
Fox Shooter
New Member
Yeh it's bit hard used flashlube since brand new, but on highway cruising I have seen the Paj drop down to 9.2lt's per 100k's. The missus has seen it down to 8.8lt's per 100k's.
The main reason why I use flashlube is to add a bit more lubricity to the diesel and to kill any algae build up in the tank.
Rossco
bmurray2250
4x4 Earth Contributer
I have used Lucas and Flashlube in the Prado. Flashlube appears the better and my brother used in the Jackaroo and the Pajero which helped with noise and general running.
capemanifold
New Member
Mine had very similar economy 6 months ago but since I added the 265/70/R17 BFG AT's I now get about 11.7/12 lts/100, not sure if that is a coincidence or not .These tyres also ride very harshly on the tar(37psi) and are a lot better if dropped to 32psi .Last service the dealer re flashed the ECU for a re learn or some crap ,but it did not make any difference .
osca4x4
New Member
just something i stumbled across
Tech Sheet
‘The Sulphur Debate’
The Sulphur debate seems to be the ‘Scape-Goat’ of this century! Since the start of the year
there has been an epidemic of leaking diesel pumps most prevalent in 4WD’s and small commercial
diesels. It is only happening in these vehicles with a ‘rotary’ pump fitted, due to the fact that a
‘rotary’ pump is running and lubricated solely by the diesel fuel whilst the ‘in-line’ style pump,
found mainly on earlier 4WD diesels and in heavier commercials, is running mainly with engine oil
lubrication. Of course we have been shouting loud about the problem for a while (through the 4WD
magazines and our ‘tech sheets’ whilst the Diesel Associations are keeping their pockets warm.
Anyway, I’d just like to quickly run through this terribly misleading DIESEL FUEL debate
and give you some clarifications from the Pro’s...Berrima Diesel! You’ve probably been reading
about ‘HORROR STORIES’ (like up in Queensland) of the removing or reducing of Sulphur in
Diesel fuel. These stories would lead one to believe that pump damage will occur and seals will
leak. It is being heavily published as being so in leading 4WD publications, TV and even by ‘so called‘
Diesel Industry Associations!!
THIS IS ALL WRONG and misleading!!!!!! We at Berrima Diesel have been saying from
Day 1 that if it leaves the nozzle as International and Australian standards dictate ( and I wish the
Federal Government would Prosecute if it wasn‘t ), the fuel will have all the characteristics that it
was intended to have. Robert Bosch didn’t have these standards to assure him when he built the first
diesel fuel system for Rudolf Diesel. He was using vegetable oil (peanut oil was one of them!) and
it worked for him. Let’s not forget that there never really was diesel fuel then as there is now.
Diesels then and today will run on a light oil (if a tad smoky!) without refining.
One of the ‘stories’ being told about removing the Sulphur is that it reduces the lubricating
qualities of Diesel fuel. This is true BUT, as we have always said, it will still have to pass
lubricating standards before being labelled Diesel. Even if it needs lubricants adding (All the Oil
Companies backs this up!)!! Diesel is barely a lubricant at the best of times (WD40 rings a bell) and
if it is watered down with other industry ‘by-products’ it qualities are reduced even further!
The other ‘stories’ flying around about pump seals leaking is another bit of a con! Even the
Oil Companies have a little excuse for it but I don’t fully believe that! Yes, composition does have
an effect on the seals but we have new and old 4WD rotary pumps leaking, and not all the seals in
the pump leak. These O-ring type seals have to cope with a lot of adulterated diesel. Adulterated
diesel can contain (and we have seen it contain!!) some highly aggressive (to injection components
and seals) substances. This combined with pump fuel operating temperatures running higher than
manufacturers could believe (we‘ve tested fuel temps in hot weather up over 80‘C coming out of
the pump!! Pump manufacturers say to stop testing pump delivery on the Test Bench once fuel
temp. goes much over 65‘C) leads to (usually the thing leaking) the top cover seal contracting or
expanding, twisting and then leaking. As far as the stories of front seals filling sumps with fuel and
dirt being sucked in by others is sheer that ’scare tactics.‘ Certain questionable Diesel Industry
bodies saying that ‘once the seals are replaced with new ones it won’t happen again’ is misleading!
In fact we dare the ‘Diesel Repair Industry’ to come clean and stop saying pumps need complete
rebuilding, for 99% of the time it is only a number of top cover seals that need replacing! With the
fuel samples we are seeing here at Berrima Diesel at the moment, anything can happen in the future with leaks! So make sure that if they are being replaced that they are being replaced with
GENUINE seals.
Diesel 4WD owners and potential buyers (if they are still even interested in buying a diesel
4WD), shouldn’t read too deeply into the problem, keep their fuel receipts and hammer their Fuel
supplier and local Federal Member about he problem!! Barbara has been doing this for a while and
has actually, although they would never recognise it (a member of the public bringing it to their
attention), achieved discussion and proposals happening in Federal Parliament as we speak. We will
keep you updated on that.
Most Oil Companies have officially announced that they are doing a back-flip on the
Sulphur debate. They have finally come clean on the fact that sulphur reduction IS NOT causing the
leaks but instead it is the imbalance in aromatics in fuel brought on by the reduction of the sulphur.
I wonder what next will be blamed.
We still say a mixture of factors. Incorrectly balanced diesel, mixtures of adulterated illegal
fuel and/or old age!!!’
At the end of the day, if you notice that you have a leaking pump, don’t panic and don’t
worry about getting it towed home from Birdsville. Just get it fixed as soon as you can.
Tech Sheet
‘The Sulphur Debate’
The Sulphur debate seems to be the ‘Scape-Goat’ of this century! Since the start of the year
there has been an epidemic of leaking diesel pumps most prevalent in 4WD’s and small commercial
diesels. It is only happening in these vehicles with a ‘rotary’ pump fitted, due to the fact that a
‘rotary’ pump is running and lubricated solely by the diesel fuel whilst the ‘in-line’ style pump,
found mainly on earlier 4WD diesels and in heavier commercials, is running mainly with engine oil
lubrication. Of course we have been shouting loud about the problem for a while (through the 4WD
magazines and our ‘tech sheets’ whilst the Diesel Associations are keeping their pockets warm.
Anyway, I’d just like to quickly run through this terribly misleading DIESEL FUEL debate
and give you some clarifications from the Pro’s...Berrima Diesel! You’ve probably been reading
about ‘HORROR STORIES’ (like up in Queensland) of the removing or reducing of Sulphur in
Diesel fuel. These stories would lead one to believe that pump damage will occur and seals will
leak. It is being heavily published as being so in leading 4WD publications, TV and even by ‘so called‘
Diesel Industry Associations!!
THIS IS ALL WRONG and misleading!!!!!! We at Berrima Diesel have been saying from
Day 1 that if it leaves the nozzle as International and Australian standards dictate ( and I wish the
Federal Government would Prosecute if it wasn‘t ), the fuel will have all the characteristics that it
was intended to have. Robert Bosch didn’t have these standards to assure him when he built the first
diesel fuel system for Rudolf Diesel. He was using vegetable oil (peanut oil was one of them!) and
it worked for him. Let’s not forget that there never really was diesel fuel then as there is now.
Diesels then and today will run on a light oil (if a tad smoky!) without refining.
One of the ‘stories’ being told about removing the Sulphur is that it reduces the lubricating
qualities of Diesel fuel. This is true BUT, as we have always said, it will still have to pass
lubricating standards before being labelled Diesel. Even if it needs lubricants adding (All the Oil
Companies backs this up!)!! Diesel is barely a lubricant at the best of times (WD40 rings a bell) and
if it is watered down with other industry ‘by-products’ it qualities are reduced even further!
The other ‘stories’ flying around about pump seals leaking is another bit of a con! Even the
Oil Companies have a little excuse for it but I don’t fully believe that! Yes, composition does have
an effect on the seals but we have new and old 4WD rotary pumps leaking, and not all the seals in
the pump leak. These O-ring type seals have to cope with a lot of adulterated diesel. Adulterated
diesel can contain (and we have seen it contain!!) some highly aggressive (to injection components
and seals) substances. This combined with pump fuel operating temperatures running higher than
manufacturers could believe (we‘ve tested fuel temps in hot weather up over 80‘C coming out of
the pump!! Pump manufacturers say to stop testing pump delivery on the Test Bench once fuel
temp. goes much over 65‘C) leads to (usually the thing leaking) the top cover seal contracting or
expanding, twisting and then leaking. As far as the stories of front seals filling sumps with fuel and
dirt being sucked in by others is sheer that ’scare tactics.‘ Certain questionable Diesel Industry
bodies saying that ‘once the seals are replaced with new ones it won’t happen again’ is misleading!
In fact we dare the ‘Diesel Repair Industry’ to come clean and stop saying pumps need complete
rebuilding, for 99% of the time it is only a number of top cover seals that need replacing! With the
fuel samples we are seeing here at Berrima Diesel at the moment, anything can happen in the future with leaks! So make sure that if they are being replaced that they are being replaced with
GENUINE seals.
Diesel 4WD owners and potential buyers (if they are still even interested in buying a diesel
4WD), shouldn’t read too deeply into the problem, keep their fuel receipts and hammer their Fuel
supplier and local Federal Member about he problem!! Barbara has been doing this for a while and
has actually, although they would never recognise it (a member of the public bringing it to their
attention), achieved discussion and proposals happening in Federal Parliament as we speak. We will
keep you updated on that.
Most Oil Companies have officially announced that they are doing a back-flip on the
Sulphur debate. They have finally come clean on the fact that sulphur reduction IS NOT causing the
leaks but instead it is the imbalance in aromatics in fuel brought on by the reduction of the sulphur.
I wonder what next will be blamed.
We still say a mixture of factors. Incorrectly balanced diesel, mixtures of adulterated illegal
fuel and/or old age!!!’
At the end of the day, if you notice that you have a leaking pump, don’t panic and don’t
worry about getting it towed home from Birdsville. Just get it fixed as soon as you can.
bluehilux
Banned
2 stroke in my opinion is the best additive.. been using it now for 4k and wont stop.
Knowing your pump/injectors are lubricated is the main benefit.
The use of two stoke oil.. specifically Castrol Active 2T
I was skeptical but after reading 50+ pages in the other forum i use and tried it i will never stop using it.
Since diesel sulphur levels have dropped from 500ppm to 50ppm i think or very low anyway.. the fuel pump/injectors ect don't get the lubricity they should.
It does quieten engines and improves throttle responce.. well it has in Dads 93 TD rodeo and my 91 hilux.
Anyhow if your interested have a look at this link and make your own minds up..
Freel2.com - View topic - 2-stroke oil and diesel
full thread is in 4wdaction if i'm allowed to put a reference to another site
It's a small cost to pay.. even if you only try 1 litre !
oh.. it must be the mineral, not synthetic oil.
OOPS there is a 2 stroke thread
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Les PK Ranger
4x4 Earth Contributer
Yep, I was using it with Castrol 2T 2 stroke though . . . mixed 1lt Moreys and 4lt 2T together, and add 200:1 to fuel . . .
Now I just use the 2 stroke, and it's fine, does very much the same thing . . . I have started using Penrite HPR Diesel5 5w-40 oil, and putting Nulon Diesel Engine Treatment in my engine oil too . . . makes it smoother running.
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As a mechanic we have been using a diesel additive from BG which has good lubricity and helps clean the DPF at the same time. Once every 6 months is all that is required. DPF's dont work well on those vehicles that pot around town and dont go on long runs.Heres a link to the BG product which you can only buy from a mechanic that stocks it as it is not sold direct to the public.BG Company
Heres a little info on this product
BG DFC with Lubricity
BG DFC with Lubricity keeps fuel system components and injectors clean, corrects nozzle fouling, reduces exhaust smoke and protects engine parts against rust and corrosion. It contains a lubricity agent for protection against low-sulfur diesel fuel. It mixes readily with all diesel fuels and is an excellent fuel storage stabilizer. This diesel fuel additive complies with the Federal low-sulfur content requirements for use in diesel motor vehicles. Catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter and oxygen sensor safe. Contains no alcohol.
Part No. 2276
Part No. 22732
6 oz. (177mL) bottle
32 oz. (946mL) bottle
Heres a little info on this product
BG DFC with Lubricity
BG DFC with Lubricity keeps fuel system components and injectors clean, corrects nozzle fouling, reduces exhaust smoke and protects engine parts against rust and corrosion. It contains a lubricity agent for protection against low-sulfur diesel fuel. It mixes readily with all diesel fuels and is an excellent fuel storage stabilizer. This diesel fuel additive complies with the Federal low-sulfur content requirements for use in diesel motor vehicles. Catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter and oxygen sensor safe. Contains no alcohol.
Part No. 2276
Part No. 22732
6 oz. (177mL) bottle
32 oz. (946mL) bottle