Corona virus

boobook

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The mystery of Pfizer, Jordon Trishton Walker, gain of function and Project Veritas.

I see that the internet is buzzing with the story about Jordon Triston Walker on a blind gay date bragging about doing gain of function research at his employer Pfizer to an undercover Project Veritas reporter posing as a date.

Project Veritas does have a bad record of false and edited videos but on the surface, it looks bad for Pfizer.

Yet the articles I read say there is no record of him ever working at Pfizer, and there is no information at all on the internet other than he is a doctor of Urology, not exactly viral research. Sounds like someone is taking the piss to me LOL.

For me, this looks like the first convincing evidence about this ( for a change), but it does smell like it's staged. Why would someone spill the beans like that on a first blind date?

Does anyone have anything that shows this is definitely true or fake?
 
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rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
These two morons are not men. Would love to see them have a go at a couple of blokes. Nah! Would not have the guts.
 

Albynsw

Well-Known Member
Regardless of who or what you are campaigning for, that sort of behaviour does nothing to win people over. Just like disrupting traffic on the harbour bridge etc etc.

I have no idea who those guys are but have a hunch that they have contributed nothing to our society but received many a benefit
 

Kippie

Moderator
An interesting article about how New Zealand and Iceland managed the covid epidemic. Both countries had the lowest mortality rates due to a combination of testing, isolation and vaccination.

 

discomatt

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Well well who would have thought, ah maybe those who did their own “ research”
Funny as I say
 

boobook

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Well well who would have thought, ah maybe those who did their own “ research”
Funny as I say

I suggest ignoring the article and reading the actual study to get the actual conclusion.

Unlike the article's conclusions, the study of the trials referred to in that article concludes as follows. ( the study author's words, not mine. )

Authors' conclusions

The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory‐confirmed influenza were analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes. Harms associated with physical interventions were under‐investigated.

There is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs.
 
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discomatt

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Yep that’s exactly what they wrote, it’s called covering your ass so not to be shunned and black listed like all those who have spoken out with any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative
But anyway not going to bang my head on this wall again, believe what ever you want
 

cookie64

4x4 Earth Contributer
Not a very good research base in my humble opinion given the following extract;

"The observed lack of effect of mask wearing in interrupting the spread of influenza‐like illness (ILI) or influenza/COVID‐19 in our review has many potential reasons, including: poor study design; insufficiently powered studies arising from low viral circulation in some studies; lower adherence with mask wearing, especially amongst children; quality of the masks used; self‐contamination of the mask by hands; lack of protection from eye exposure from respiratory droplets (allowing a route of entry of respiratory viruses into the nose via the lacrimal duct); saturation of masks with saliva from extended use (promoting virus survival in proteinaceous material); and possible risk compensation behaviour leading to an exaggerated sense of security"

Unless I am reading this incorrectly

I am not a specialist in the field of microbiology but does it not stand to reason that if you wear a mask then any droplets are prevented somewhat to either spreading viruses from me to an object / surface or vice versa - the big thing here is though that touching a surface then touching my eyes, nose or mouth can then enable to virus to attach itself to me. It is obvious that during the height of Corona people were washing their hands and observing good hygiene but now I see people walking from toilets without washing their hands and touching stuff without a second thought.

just my thoughts

cheers
 

Albynsw

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Haven’t the medical profession worn these masks since MASH to prevent transmission of disease? If masks were ineffective why do they use them in surgery?
You can debate the finer points and play with the data but at common sense level they must be of benefit. I remember earlier on in the pandemic one of he specialists saying one of the biggest benefits of the mask is it reduces people touching their face and mouth so are less likely to infect themselves

I hated wearing them myself
 
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boobook

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Haven’t the medical profession worn these masks since MASH to prevent transmission of disease? If masks were ineffective why do they use them in surgery?

Maybe they only work on real doctors and PhD's, and not people that get medical degrees from corn flakes packets.
Or maybe real doctors spend time learning how to wear PPE at university, but that section is skipped entirely in the corn flakes version.
 
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discomatt

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And another interesting bit of facts after the event, I won’t even both posting the latest studies on immunity because that might just blow peoples minds
 

discomatt

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Whew.
So much crap on the internet.
Twisted information , by twisted minds to satisfy twisted gullible people.
Do you think so?
Even WHO released statements in late 2021 declaring lockdowns should be a last resort due to the damage they cause, now more and more studies are e showing the same.
You only need to look at the financial position the world is in, the effects on a majority of children’s development and education or the massive increase in mental health issues or the huge shortage of availability to see mental health professionals to see the devastating effects the lockdowns have had on society
I suppose it would be extremely difficult for many to admit government got so much wrong while they were in such strong support of it all for so long but when world leading organisations do studies of the outcomes not projections I will take that as facts not twisted gullibility
 

Kippie

Moderator
Do you think so?
Even WHO released statements in late 2021 declaring lockdowns should be a last resort due to the damage they cause, now more and more studies are e showing the same.
You only need to look at the financial position the world is in, the effects on a majority of children’s development and education or the massive increase in mental health issues or the huge shortage of availability to see mental health professionals to see the devastating effects the lockdowns have had on society
I suppose it would be extremely difficult for many to admit government got so much wrong while they were in such strong support of it all for so long but when world leading organisations do studies of the outcomes not projections I will take that as facts not twisted gullibility

Here you go, I posted this earlier. These NZ scientists (NOT journalists) conclude that testing/tracing, isolation and vaccination is the way to go. Please note that NZ was one of the leading countries in terms of covid response. Lockdown is not the silver bullet, but in the early days when no vaccine was available it was the only way to control the spread. What would you suggest otherwise?

 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Do you think so?
Even WHO released statements in late 2021 declaring lockdowns should be a last resort due to the damage they cause, now more and more studies are e showing the same.
You only need to look at the financial position the world is in, the effects on a majority of children’s development and education or the massive increase in mental health issues or the huge shortage of availability to see mental health professionals to see the devastating effects the lockdowns have had on society
I suppose it would be extremely difficult for many to admit government got so much wrong while they were in such strong support of it all for so long but when world leading organisations do studies of the outcomes not projections I will take that as facts not twisted gullibility
Maybe I should have added , pessimistic, doom sayers, negative glass half empty people, who whinge and whine and who don't have much backbone in dealing with adversity.
 
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boobook

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Now I know a national, double-blinded, randomized, decentralized, and placebo-controlled clinical trial investigating repurposed Invermectin drugs for treating individuals with mild or moderate SARS-CoV-2 infections doesn't come anywhere near information from an antivax proponent's version of facts.

But several studies show that not only does it not do anything, but you have a higher chance of death than with covid.

I wonder what the genius Phd's on 4x4 earth that advocated its use think now?

Who would have thought that taking horse drugs off prescription despite all serious medical specific warnings is dangerous? Darwin at work. Stupid people die. LOL. Oh that's right, you can't trust doctors or the real medical profession, only ones with Kellogs packet Doctorates.





I hope no one took that advice on 4x4 Earth to take it. Using it has a tendency to reduce forum member numbers.
 
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Kippie

Moderator
Hopefully lesson learnt and the policy disasters won’t happen again
Funny how some people’s thoughts and opinions were so criticised yet so rightly justified and found to be correct
They suffered but others died or have long covid. Its a matter of perspective.
 
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