Corona virus

[Rojac]

Exactly.

Of course, the output of modelling depends on the data and the accuracy of the model. That's why people who are thoroughly experienced in modelling and the science behind what is being modelled should be left to the task.

I love how completely lay people who get their information from twitter and Facebook criticise the modelling for not being 100% right when they make wild predictions and makeup facts that have no basis in reality.

The same people with bizarre predictions, facts and sources of information posted here for example then feel as though they know more than people who do it for a living after years of experience and training.

No one can accurately predict the future, even with well-informed models, however, to run a society, not anarchy, you need baselines to track the progress of this type of data.

It's exactly like anti-vaxxers here criticising the BOM for inaccurate forecasting, but then they use their talking pet lizard in a suit to forecast next weeks weather.

You want wild and totally wrong predictions. Just look through this thread.

I like that how anyone that has a different opinion to you is an antivaxer, just goes to show your bigotted inflexibilty to any opinion that differs from yours, you’ve lost all credibility with your closed mind and with that, I too will leave this discussion as has discomatt to concentrate on more 4x4 related topics

Have a good day

 

[smwhiskey]

Good luck to those that trust our governments the bastions of truth and honesty to do the right thing for the people rather than self interest for the lobbists that represent politically affiliated donor

Given the lack of creditable information at the start of the pandemic, I think various Governments were correct in their initial over cautiousness. The fact that Australian Governments had one (and only one) response (lockdown) to any outbreak 12 months after the initial outbreak showed a complete lack of understanding and vision. The rest of the world was opening up and Australia was still locking down.

 

[boobook]

I like that how anyone that has a different opinion to you is an antivaxer, just goes to show your bigotted inflexibilty to any opinion that differs from yours, you’ve lost all credibility with your closed mind and with that, I too will leave this discussion as has discomatt to concentrate on more 4x4 related topics

Have a good day

LOL go for it.

You will notice a theme to my posts, challenging statements that are clearly untruths or unsupported statements dressed up as facts. Especially when people misquote, or even to go the extent of modifying what I say. If you don't like people calling out untruths, of course, feel free to leave the thread.

This forum has been overrun by anti-vaccine propaganda BS. Less is more. Some even post on no other topic and clearly have little or no interest in the forum.

I may have an opinion, as do others who disagree. I can't stop you from leaving the discussion, why would I? However, I try to keep to the truth, not make stuff up, misquote people or modify what they said.

its good to see that this thread can have a much more facts-based conversation in the future.

 

[Corndoggy]

Rojac,,,,, bye bye.

 

[boobook]

Rojac,,,,, bye bye.

Looks like it will be pretty quiet going forward.

Rojac

4x4earth.com

 

[Kippie]

The models here in SA have been always way off the mark, a case of catch up and who can forget our illustrious ex pm scomo and his side kick hunt out there at the beginning of this predicting that their modelling is showing that hundreds of thoasands of people will die

This is an extract from a news article

“
Australia's policymakers were in March bracing for up to 150,000 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic as the virus spread globally and health officials warned that hospitals might not be able to cope.
Ten weeks later, with just 103 COVID-19 deaths, some experts say the modelling behind the national cabinet's decisions was flawed and some commentators say the response went too far.”

So I ‘ll just agree to disagree with you on that aspect

i doubt that their models were independently peer reviewed but just put out by the relevant health departments , anyway that’s speculation as that information was not forthcoming, the weekly figures were just put out and taken as gospel, any opposition was just cast into the anti vaxer flat earth mob, I was under the impression that science allowed the discussion of different ideas and concepts but throughout this entire period any different opinions were censored and ridiculed, as it didn’t fit the government narrative

Good luck to those that trust our governments the bastions of truth and honesty to do the right thing for the people rather than self interest for the lobbists that represent politically affiliated donor

That paragraph you quoted came from SMH. They also said in the article that:

"Grattan Institute health economist Stephen Duckett said the dramatic variation between the estimates of potential deaths came down to the difference between taking no action to prevent the virus spreading and taking only limited action.
The estimate of deaths in those early days, they assumed no lockdowns and no action, Dr Duckett said. If you let the disease rip, you'd have a huge number of deaths."

And now we have the knowledge of hindsight, a luxury the government did not have at the time the decisions were made. They applied the precautionary principle which in my view is wise. Compare our response to that of the US and you'd agree that we fared a lot better in number of infections and deaths per capita.

 

[rogerazz]

People with hybrid immunity are the most protected against severe COVID-19 and reinfection

A University of Calgary research group - which includes several Bachelor of Health Sciences alumni joined forces with members of the World Health Organization to tackle a global health question.

www.news-medical.net

 

[boobook]

Interesting that some of the anti-vaxxers are deleting all their posts on this thread all of a sudden.

One of them rarely posted on anything else, and almost nothing else for 6 months, in the last week almost all his anti-vax posts for the last 12 months were deleted. Same for another who announced he was deleting posts over the years from this thread. And at least 2 of them declared they won't post on this thread again.

A flash of reality maybe?

 

[discomatt]

Interesting that some of the anti-vaxxers are deleting all their posts on this thread all of a sudden.

One of them rarely posted on anything else, and almost nothing else for 6 months, in the last week almost all his anti-vax posts for the last 12 months were deleted. Same for another who announced he was deleting posts over the years from this thread. And at least 2 of them declared they won't post on this thread again.

A flash of reality maybe?

Na just the decision to not waste time as it’s like talking about a religion with believers that won’t consider reality
I noticed last week the CEO of Phizzer refused to answer questions about the vaccine at a WEF conference and lots more Americans calling for new safety studies to be done
Also all Government buildings that house the pollies are now fully operational fitted out with full air cleaning and ventilation systems that remove pretty much all virus from the air
wish they did that to the schools 2.5 years ago…

 

[discomatt]

Ah shit, And fell for it again

 

[boobook]

Na just the decision to not waste time as it’s like talking about a religion with believers that won’t consider reality
I noticed last week the CEO of Phizzer refused to answer questions about the vaccine at a WEF conference and lots more Americans calling for new safety studies to be done
Also all Government buildings that house the pollies are now fully operational fitted out with full air cleaning and ventilation systems that remove pretty much all virus from the air
wish they did that to the schools 2.5 years ago…

I assume you are talking about the CEO of Pfizer.

If your news source is doctored video's on Twitter, then you may believe that. He even said the company's goal was to reduce the number of people in the world by 50%.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616002906037293056

But of course, that is anti-vaxxer bullshit at play once again. His speach was edited to say what the anti-vaxxers want people to believe. Total garbage.

This is what he really said at the WEF conference, unedited by anti-vaxxers this time. If antivaxxers have sensible arguments to present, why do they have to make stuff up to support them? It's like discussing logic with 3 year old.

 

[rogerazz]

Yep. Generally Antivaxers know nothing about covid, vaccinations, etc. and then search information that suits their agenda.
They are not only unqualified , they are also very gullible.
Maybe they should ( probably many already do) move into the metaverse. Then they can live fantasy full time.

 

[rogerazz]

I was referring to the earth antivaxers. You know, the ones with expert after their names. You know, the ones that keep trying.

 

[boobook]

Remember how the anti vaxxers told us that testing travellers from china for covid will ruin the economy a few weeks ago, and we will go broke?

SInce then coal exports have restarted, Iron ore exports are up. Wine sales on the way. Crayfish and Lamb are selling again, and as of today, chinese students will flock back to Australia. Over 20,000 expected in the next month.

About $20 Billion a year in international trade in being restored since that Kellogg PHD in economic trade gem only 4 weeks ago.

What do you call a deer with no eyes, no legs and no balls again?

 

[Kippie]

This article describes in detail how death certificates are issued. It makes a clear distinction between dying with covid and dying due to covid. And for the conspirators amongst us, no, the official death toll due to covid is not exaggerated.

Here's who decides cause of death, how death certificates work – and whether a person died with or of COVID

The cause of every death in Australia must be certified by a medical practitioner. If the cause of death is not clear, the death is reported to the state or territory coroner for investigation.

theconversation.com

 

[Albynsw]

My father in law died last week, he had covid at the time but I don’t believe he died from it as had other serious health issues. It will be interesting to see what they write on his death certificate

 

[cam04]

My father in law died last week, he had covid at the time but I don’t believe he died from it as had other serious health issues. It will be interesting to see what they write on his death certificate

Commiserations - For sure it will get a mention.

 

[boobook]

My father in law died last week, he had covid at the time but I don’t believe he died from it as had other serious health issues. It will be interesting to see what they write on his death certificate

Commiserations Alby.

 

[typhoeus]

This article describes in detail how death certificates are issued. It makes a clear distinction between dying with covid and dying due to covid. And for the conspirators amongst us, no, the official death toll due to covid is not exaggerated.

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A person with respiratory disease might be unwell but would have survived without having covid, but the cause of death will be listed as respiratory disease?
Aged care nurse told me once that old people nearly dying are often given opiates ostensibly to "make them comfortable " but in reality it hurries them up, so they supposedly dont suffer for long. Not sure what to make of that, after seeing it in action with elderly relatives

 

[rogerazz]

Old people may and many do suffer from various ailments/ diseases, etc.
High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, prostate problems, heart stents, heart pacemakers/defibrillators, etc, etc.
So they take medications, needles, etc., etc., vist doctors, are on special diets, exercises, etc. ,etc.
They are doing OK an looks like many may live longer or even very longer because of all of this help.
Then they catch covid and die of complications???
Had they have not of caught covid, would the have lived longer.??
So what killed them???