John U
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Very fair of you boobook.See.... I'm not discriminating John.
Climate Change - Biggest Money Making Con of the Century or Imminent Extinction of the Human Race
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shanegtr
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Cool idea, especially in areas where you may not have access to surplus water for a pumped hydro systemThis is an interesting and simple solution for storage of power, cart the rocks up the hill with solar during the day and roll them down the hill at night to create power
Albynsw
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Few willing to change lifestyle to save the planet, climate survey finds
Exclusive: poll of 10 countries including US, UK, France and Germany finds people prioritising measures that are already habits
www.theguardian.com
typhoeus
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I think there would be a lot of losses due to friction in that system . I reckon it would be more efficient to pump water up the mountain and let it run down t h ru pipes, wouldnt it?This is an interesting and simple solution for storage of power, cart the rocks up the hill with solar during the day and roll them down the hill at night to create power
Good job they didn't conduct the survey in Australia!Few willing to change lifestyle to save the planet, climate survey finds
Exclusive: poll of 10 countries including US, UK, France and Germany finds people prioritising measures that are already habits
I get the impression we suffer even more from a lack of willingness to change our lifestyles! Next years election will be an interesting insight into this.LongRoad2Go
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Good job they didn't conduct the survey in Australia!
I'd happily put solar volt panels on anything that stayed stationary, but, since the feed-in tariff is next to worthless and other incentives don't exist, forget it.
Similarly, would be happy to put in rain water tanks, plant more indigenous plants, etc, but there needs to be Local/State/Federal government incentives to offset the exorbitant cost-of-living expenses to do these beneficial things.
The best I can do is grow some of our food to reduce 'food miles', compost, worm farm, raise chooks, and limit buying non-recyclables.
Climate change? Although I agree with anthropological changes, ironically also agree at face value with Rupert Murdoch's comment: 'The Planet deserves the benefit of the doubt'.
John U
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When did Murdoch say this?
My interpretation of 'The Planet deserves the benefit of the doubt' would be 'we need to go easy on the planet because it could be suffering'. This would make it counter to what Murdoch generally publishes.
LongRoad2Go
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Rupert Murdoch says 'there are no climate change deniers around' News Corp
Murdoch was responding to a question at AGM about time given to ‘climate deniers’ by News Corp outlets in Australia
www.theguardian.com
Near the end of the article.
Murdoch Goes Green, and His Empire Follows
Rupert Murdoch, traditionally no friend to the science of climate change, has begun to change his tune, will NewsCorp?
archives.cjr.org
4th paragraph.
Albynsw
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Thats if water is in abundance in that area plus evaporation issues but fair point
I did like how it was easily upscaled as demand increased
Albynsw
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But isn’t that exactly the point, you are only prepared to get it for financial gain not for environmental reasons
My solar panels are saving me about $260 per month even with 6.7c per kw hour of feed in tariff. I'm happy. It is looking like a 3.5 year payback.
LongRoad2Go
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True at face value, but cost-of-living is not comparable when considering different areas of the country, and, all the other factors that come into play - some personal, some not.
My major beef is having all that generating power up on the roof and nowhere to store it without the huge outlay of batteries with tech that is still evolving. I.e. redundant is 'x'-years. (I'd want to be able to run the household on the battery for a day or more if the mains power went off line i.e. storms, etc. And, for that battery to have one hell of a very long life.)
Happy to be convinced otherwise. Frankly, I haven't kept up with the solar tech available.
Kippie
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Based on our current power consumption (all electric home + daily driver car) we would pay well over $3000 a year for electricity if we took it from the grid. However, several years ago we invested in solar, including battery and since then our bill was $0. On top of those savings there are no fuel costs for the car and its maintenance is less than $100 a year.
Moreover, during the latest storms our area suffered blackouts for extended periods while we carried on without a glitch. This is priceless.
Our fire water pump used to be diesel. We replaced it by two electric ones with the cables buried underground and the pumps in their own bunker. They are activated by a switch in the house. That is a lot more reliable than the old system. Our insurance company has rewarded that by giving us a discount.
Albynsw
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Have a look at this map and then think about how much influence Australia really has ( not what some will want you to think) not only on climate change but also controlling the use of fossil fuels on the world stage.
www.carbonbrief.org
Placebo is a word that comes to mind.
Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020
Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.
www.carbonbrief.org
Placebo is a word that comes to mind.
I don't think anyone really thinks Australia has much influence on the world stage. We do have some though, as a result of our substantial coal production and exports.Have a look at this map and then think about how much influence Australia really has ( not what some will want you to think) not only on climate change but also controlling the use of fossil fuels on the world stage.
Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020
Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.
Placebo is a word that comes to mind.
On what Australia and our population should do in relation to climate change (as with all things really), for me it's a case of ask yourself, if something is the wrong thing to do, then do you just keep doing it because others are?
Coal Production by Country - Worldometer
List of world countries by Yearly Coal Production in million cubic feet (MMcf)
www.worldometers.info
Albynsw
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I don't think anyone really thinks Australia has much influence on the world stage. We do have some though, as a result of our substantial coal production and exports.
On what Australia and our population should do in relation to climate change (as with all things really), for me it's a case of ask yourself, if something is the wrong thing to do, then do you just keep doing it because others are?
Coal Production by Country - Worldometer
List of world countries by Yearly Coal Production in million cubic feet (MMcf)
If you listen to the dialogue from a number of directions they certainly think we do.
looking at the breakdown of coal suppliers on your link our percentage would easily get swallowed up by the others if we dropped out of the market and it would be business as usual for the rest of the world
I am all for change but not change for change sake that is just self harm
Kippie
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That sounds like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Self harm will be the inevitable "do-nothing-business-as-usual" outcome. If individuals do not take action, who will?
Albynsw
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I get what you are saying and whilst it is technically correct on a practical level unless the big players are involved it is a futile gesture
peterfermtech
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That sounds like you bought the marketing line.