Climate Change - Biggest Money Making Con of the Century or Imminent Extinction of the Human Race

This thread needs Cokedaddy to inject some alternative emoticon enhanced wisdom.. :)
Thats why I am staying out of this BS;)
Just a note that I wouldn't believe any figures put out by any government or business that had a vested interest and as a side note most of Europe import power from other countries so it makes there emissions look better.
Its all lies, twisted truths and cons...
All these people that go on about saving the planet want someone else to do it and not make any real sacrifice in their own lives and lifestyle.
A big FU I say it starts at home NOT with blaming the government for a bushfire, its a global issue and until EVERY soul on the planet really wants to make a change nothing of significance will change.
I'm out , next:p
 
The UK has 60+ million citizens and they are going for 50% reduction by 2025 and they don't fear job losses or economic meltdown. And by the way, they only contribute 1.2% in 2017. They must be a lot smarter and laughing at us!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions
Harry and Meghan are buggering off to Canada.
There's 20% C02 and BS emissions saved already.
Hope they enjoy the swim or hitch-hike with Greta on her plastic boat.
Nup - doing the eco-friendly jet thing.
 

dno67

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Harry and Meghan are buggering off to Canada.
There's 20% C02 and BS emissions saved already.
Hope they enjoy the swim or hitch-hike with Greta on her plastic boat.
Nup - doing the eco-friendly jet thing.
I feel very sorry for that greta, seen her on 60 minutes the other night in her nylon ski pants and backpack. Most of those making all the noise really need to stand back and have a good look at themselves and there lifestyles. NFI
 
What's brexit got to do with it?
And where do you get 0.004% from. Let us know your source. It is 1.28% in 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions
You are making a lot of baseless claims.
Here's some light reading for you mate:
https://www.environment.gov.au/syst...nal-greenhouse-accounts-factors-july-2018.pdf
Yes, gubbermint figures so they must be true.
Once you've finished, try obtaining the same information from China/USA/India etc. to make your accurate comparison for your claims.
 
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I feel very sorry for that greta, seen her on 60 minutes the other night in her nylon ski pants and backpack. Most of those making all the noise really need to stand back and have a good look at themselves and there lifestyles. NFI
Most of those making all the noise are making money from this hoax.
Us stupid taxpaying punters are picking up the tab.
 

Kippie

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Here's some light reading for you mate:
https://www.environment.gov.au/syst...nal-greenhouse-accounts-factors-july-2018.pdf
Yes, gubbermint figures so they must be true.
Once you've finished, try obtaining the same information from China/USA/India etc. to make your accurate comparison for your claims.
I have read it. I don't know what you're getting at because it only sets standards for estimating green house gas emissions. What's your point?
From your posts I also have the distinct impression that you don't trust government, yet you refer to a government publication. What's the deal?

And you still haven't revealed your source for the 0.004% emissions.
 
Here are some facts relating to the climate change scam , banks are poised to make trillions of dollars from this hoax , senior politicians around the world are connected to these banks . Watch this complete vid as the $$$$$ side of things is revealed from about 30 mins in .
 
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Ahh! The gubbermint figures are reliable now?
You all better disconnect and head for the hills if you don't trust science and you don't trust the professional people/researchers working in Government departments as opposed to the political arm of the executive what are you even doing on a computer or driving a car?

Hell, throw your phone in the bin as it uses the same scientific methods of research that climate scientists use.

Can't trust the RFS or the ADF... bugger you can't trust anyone is this world hey if they work for or with the government. Tinfoil hat much?

So are you're denying that the glass and bauxite you use originally came out of the ground?
In order to "recycle" something it must first be produced. Our oceans are full of "recyclables". An inconvenient truth?
You obviously don't know much about manufacturing these days, here's a basic hint we take the least cost options and thanks to the marvels of technology that generally means in an advanced manufacturing environment taking inputs others deem as waste or undesirable is cheaper than paying someone to dig it out of the ground. Infinite recyclability means I can take a discarded resource and use it over and over and over again ad nauseam. There are plenty of operations that take all their inputs directly from the existing supply, it's very common practise in Australia for building component manufacturing.

Here's a great Aussie example since you bring up plastic Modwood Decking, it's a great alternative to your traditional Merbau decking people use, it's is 100% manufactured from waste. It's a composite product made from a mixture of ground sustainable wood waste and recycled plastic milk bottles.

What is the retail cost difference between your "clean green gasification machine" window kits vs regular aluminium framed windows imported from China?
What has the retail price had anything to do with anything, what you think we are a charity? Because it's cheaper for us to make we should trash our own retail market in a race to the bottom? Mate, you are a poor businessman if you think undercutting your competitors is a good strategy. Manufacturing efficiency is about making us more profitable, not about giving away margin and starting a price war in our markets. We sell on value not being the cheapest. This also lets us pay people we employ better, give them better working conditions and ensure we are around for another 45 years and can grow our capabilities.

I take solace from the fact you are quickly becoming a minority, and political deniers are becoming irrelevant as the economic reality is being made all too apparent for business in this country and they are reacting. It's a bit like you and other conservatives believe in the mythical invisible guiding hand of the free market and that it will look after itself and government regulation is bad that is until the chips are down and everyone quickly becomes a socialist again.
 
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1)You all better disconnect and head for the hills if you don't trust science and you don't trust the professional people/researchers working in Government departments . . . .

2)Hell, throw your phone in the bin as it uses the same scientific methods of research that climate scientists use.. . .

3)Can't trust the RFS or the ADF... bugger you can't trust anyone is this world hey if they work for or with the government. Tinfoil hat much?. . .
4)infinite recyclability means I can take a discarded resource and use it over and over and over again . Manufacturing efficiency is about making us more profitable, not about giving away margin and starting a price war in our markets. We sell on value not being the cheapest. This also lets us pay people we employ better, give them better working conditions and ensure we are around for another 45 years and can grow our capabilities.

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1) id love to live off grid if I could, its never wise to give government too much power over the populace, history has shown why, and " scientists" look for evidence to suport their own agendas too, few are really inpartial. Even your Dr will prescribe medication based on his training which is often funded by the pharmaceutical companies that later supply him when he starts practice
2) id like to do that too, but they have made it difficult to do. Some services of the govt and lots of private services are only online now.
3) govt has agenda of control of population in order to reduce crime (good) socially engineer the population to accept things that they dont like or arent necessarily good for them (bad), and generally reduce the choices people have to what the govt wants or " approves" . thats creeping socialism there.
4) good. The manufacturing sector in Aus has been dismantled over decades by successive govts due to high costs of labour, and this has given advantage to cheap chinese imports,and we all collectively are to blame really because every one wants a bargain and buy cheap to save money instead of supporting local manufacture. We could all contribute to supporting local business or local labor with a little thought and even no cost. Eg. I personally refuse to use self service checkouts and wait in line to keep someone in a job for as long as possible.[/QUOTE]
 
You all better disconnect and head for the hills if you don't trust science and you don't trust the professional people/researchers working in Government departments as opposed to the political arm of the executive what are you even doing on a computer or driving a car?

Hell, throw your phone in the bin as it uses the same scientific methods of research that climate scientists use.

Can't trust the RFS or the ADF... bugger you can't trust anyone is this world hey if they work for or with the government. Tinfoil hat much?



You obviously don't know much about manufacturing these days, here's a basic hint we take the least cost options and thanks to the marvels of technology that generally means in an advanced manufacturing environment taking inputs others deem as waste or undesirable is cheaper than paying someone to dig it out of the ground. Infinite recyclability means I can take a discarded resource and use it over and over and over again ad nauseam. There are plenty of operations that take all their inputs directly from the existing supply, it's very common practise in Australia for building component manufacturing.

Here's a great Aussie example since you bring up plastic Modwood Decking, it's a great alternative to your traditional Merbau decking people use, it's is 100% manufactured from waste. It's a composite product made from a mixture of ground sustainable wood waste and recycled plastic milk bottles.



What has the retail price had anything to do with anything, what you think we are a charity? Because it's cheaper for us to make we should trash our own retail market in a race to the bottom? Mate, you are a poor businessman if you think undercutting your competitors is a good strategy. Manufacturing efficiency is about making us more profitable, not about giving away margin and starting a price war in our markets. We sell on value not being the cheapest. This also lets us pay people we employ better, give them better working conditions and ensure we are around for another 45 years and can grow our capabilities.

I take solace from the fact you are quickly becoming a minority, and political deniers are becoming irrelevant as the economic reality is being made all too apparent for business in this country and they are reacting. It's a bit like you and other conservatives believe in the mythical invisible guiding hand of the free market and that it will look after itself and government regulation is bad that is until the chips are down and everyone quickly becomes a socialist again.
Thanks for that information.
So you're business model uses recycled materials (which used nasty fossil fuels to produce originally) and (allegedly) 30% cheaper renewable energy to manufacture.
You state that you are not passing on your alleged energy cost and material savings to the consumer.
Therefore you Sir, are a perfect example of a business using the climate change hoax to make your profits, as are our energy suppliers.
I would love to spec your product in my next building project, however I can buy "non green virgin materials" for the same price thanks to your profiteering.
Take solace in the knowledge that the "jig is up".
 
What is getting cheaper material and energy to do with climate change? Isn't that pure simple economics? How would run your business?
It is economics but also means the waste from the original manufacture is not repeated, especially if the recycling uses renewable enegy, this nmeans then that the new product is not contributing to climate change. . That is if climate change is directly linked to industrialisation. ( no argument either way here)
 
"Hydrogen has its difficulties
Business analyst Peter Strachan warned hydrogen technology was in its infancy and any widespread rollout was decades away.
Mr Strachan said producing hydrogen using electricity from a coal-fired power station used more energy than was actually created from the hydrogen itself.
It was also difficult to store and transport.
"It's a very light element and it can be stored and compressed slightly, but unlike natural gas it's not easy to compress and store for any period of time," Mr Strachan said.
"Even the optimists are talking about this as something for the next 10 or 20 years. It's not going to happen at scale at any time in the next decade."
But he saw the Denham hydrogen micro grid project as an important trial, which would be widely watched and could help solve the problem of transporting power long distances across the state.
"What Horizon Power has found is that they've got poles and wire running 20–30 kilometres out to customers that might only produce $20,000 worth of revenue, and it's costing them $2 million a year, say, to keep those poles and wire in good shape," he said.
"And there's a danger and a liability associated with it. So they're saying rather than run poles and wire out to customers that don't support the grid, we'll just cut that grid off completely and we'll set up a micro grid out there.
"The low cost of photovoltaics mean you can supply a megawatt of power to customers, which would otherwise be a very costly exercise for Horizon."

Unfortunately those dirty PV panels used in separating hydrogen from water are made in China, therefore any "green gains" are negated.
So come on idiomatically, expand your "recycled renewable gasification product range" into voltaics and put your product on the market at a non-opportunistic climate change price so the good folks at Denham and yourself can sleep at night in the knowledge that you're saving the planet from "climate change".
I DARE you.
 
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dno67

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The energy suppiers realise they can void all maintenance and asset costs while gaining cheap power at the pubics expense to on sell, it's a no brainer for them. If they have enough PV units servicing the grid. It also allows them to appear (green the 21st century fashion statement) yes l realised there's other means of generation, it's more important to remember large companies have marketing and media departments to push there image and gain investment.
Asbestos, was once the latest and greatest too. Bought to the market by scientists and huge companies.
 
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