Absolutely, questioning climate change validity is not an excuse for doing nothing. 8 billion people even if they are just farting, has to influence the environment.
Climate Change - Biggest Money Making Con of the Century or Imminent Extinction of the Human Race
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peterfermtech
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Shh...! Don't let them take away another of my pastimes.Absolutely, questioning climate change validity is not an excuse for doing nothing. 8 billion people even if they are just farting, has to influence the environment.
John U
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Lumping all reports and all climate scientists in with incorrect results and by stating ‘ but history has shown that they have stuffed up royally on numerous occasions’ writes off a lot of correct and accurate work.
There may have been some statements that are wrong, which get a lot of repeated coverage from some media outlets, but what about all the work that has been right?
Albynsw
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Have a read of that Flannery’s blurb, supposedly Australia’s guru on it all and you will get the picture
I don’t understand why he was not help to account for the crap he peddled, instead he got a plum job OS
Albynsw
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He was the face of the movement not just another scientist and he was wrong much more than he was right. Telling us to move to higher ground yet lives on a waterfront about 7 metres from the waters edge
and then you had Al Gore flying around the world in a private jet living it up and charging big money to hear his dribble Pretty hypocritical
Bomber2012
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Ive never heard a media outlet say scientific data is wrong , that kills dead their climate change hysteria .
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Yes you are totally correct but the overall trend is in the same direction even if some of the specifics are off a bit. I dont know but I would rather believe the thousands of climate scientists even if their predictions are off by a few years or a few degrees rather than the flat earthers who have little scientific information to back up their positions.
Until it can be proved there is no threat, we should all be following the Precautionary Principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle
John U
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Agreed. Risk management is a good thing.
Albynsw
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That is a fair call but you have the greenies at one end wanting to shut down the country and go back to candlelight, labor lost an unloseable election heading down that path and Bill has acknowledged that recently but at the same time we shouldn’t be doing nothing
There are equal amounts of lies and propaganda coming from both ends of the spectrum so you need to keep your bullshite meter finely tuned to see where the line should be.
John U
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Others might consider me a greeny. I’m in favour of good policy where ever it comes from. I go 4wding in the bush, and camping, I try to look after the trails, and clean up after myself, so I and others can return to those sites at a later date. Although it seems like it sometimes, and some of our politicians would like us to believe it, democracy isn’t a football code.
Jason Watt
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I never quite heard an official "scientific" explanation to the ol' 80s "We're all gonna die from the hole in the ozone layer" scam.
I suggest this was just a precursory social experiment in manipulating public opinion on a global scale.
Same "scientists" behind "Climate change" which has become a UN controlled global industry unto itself.
So many taxpayer funded "experts", gumbymint departments, organisations and activists riding the gravy train.
So.... Is it safe to go outside or not?
I suggest this was just a precursory social experiment in manipulating public opinion on a global scale.
Same "scientists" behind "Climate change" which has become a UN controlled global industry unto itself.
So many taxpayer funded "experts", gumbymint departments, organisations and activists riding the gravy train.
So.... Is it safe to go outside or not?
Hoyks
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The hole in the ozone layer has closed over since we have stopped pumping out chlorinated fluorocarbons following international agreement that although they worked for what they were used for, they were doing us no favours in the long run.
So hardly a scam and proof governments can work together for enviromental outcomes when it suits them.
So hardly a scam and proof governments can work together for enviromental outcomes when it suits them.
dno67
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Not to mention it was first scientifically called global warming, before conveniently being changed to climate change when the numbers didn't stack up. If didn't know better, it seem's there's little difference between being a poly or a scientist. Iol
John U
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The global trend is warming. There’s plenty of evidence for it.
climate scientists have always said that the result would be ‘more energy in the atmosphere’. This would mean more intense heat, cold, dry, wet, storms, cyclones, floods, etc. I think the warming tag was removed due to people not knowing about the intensity and it’s variation.
anyways, not sure if anyone saw this.
‘ Australia recorded its hottest day on record on Wednesday, with an average maximum temperature of 41.9C (107.4F), beating the previous record by 1C that had been set only 24 hours earlier. Tuesday 16 December recorded an averageof 40.9C across the continent, beating the previous record of 40.3C set on 7 January 2013.’
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ottest-ever-day-one-day-after-previous-record
peterfermtech
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Stuffed if I can pick 3 oC difference in temperature but these activists who probably have an average age of less than 20 are noticing the 0.3 oC temperature change that they say we have had since they were born.
Jason Watt
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Good news never travels well, sells newspapers or keeps doomsday sayers in work.
I never got the memo about the ozone hole "closing". Why not?
Chlorinated fluorocarbons may well have been the ozone hole "go-to villain" and the 1st world banned it as a pressure-pak propellant.
If you google hard enough you'll find some quasi-scientists who will say it hasn't closed and embellish their statement with a pretty graph and a few photoshopped pics.
Nek minnit: It's that nasty villain C02! (Shhhhh - don't let on that without C02 there would be no life on Earth - animal, vegetable, 4x4 or otherwise).
They couldn't figure out a way to tax us on the air we breathe so they're taxing us on the C02 we exhale.
I'm not a "climate change denialist/skeptic - whatevs" - The climate has been changing without human input for millions of years.
It does that.
As I sit here sweating, remembering the weeks of stink-hot summers from 50 years ago (typical on the driest Island on the planet) we've always had, I ponder whether I can afford to turn on my air-con for fear of a four digit electricity bill for the summer quarter.
THAT is what it's all about!
I am more concerned about how the UN has moved most Western manufacturing to under-developed cheap labour 3rd world countries who have zero infrastructure or regulations to dispose of their waste.
They won't tell you, but most of the plastics in our oceans come from these countries.
If you believe C02 is responsible for climate change, simply stop exhaling and become part of the solution.
On a side note: When will Greta be visiting China and India in her petrochemical produced boat?
I DARE her!
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3 degrees is a very big deal when taken as the average over the whole planet. It indicates that the hot days are hotter in more places more frequently. 3 degrees on your thermometer as air temperature is bugger all, who cares? 3 degrees higher on a thermometer sticking in your arse is a big deal, you'd need to go to hospital. The numbers have to be judged in context.
Bomber2012
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Where is Al Gore when we need him ?????
