China and Taliban in bed together

Hoyks

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The way the Chinese treat their muslim minorities just over the boarder, it would definitely have to be a marriage of convenience. I'm pretty sure the Afghans are wary of anyone turning up and offering the hand of friendship, they were happy to use the Americans gear to make it hard on the soviets and made a few concessions, but went back to business as usual when they were done.
Its hardly ever been a country, just a loose collection of tribes with a line drawn on a map around them, all with their own needs and agendas, so its not like anyone coming in really has a central government to negotiate with.

The suicide bomber crashing into a Chinese motorcade in Pakistan last week probably isn't helping things either.
 
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Kippie

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Taliban's main income is from the heroin trade. It's a lot easier and cheaper to grow a poppy plant than to dig dirt.
 

Hoyks

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Taliban's main income is from the heroin trade. It's a lot easier and cheaper to grow a poppy plant than to dig dirt.
I was reading yesterday that the Taliban have banned the growing of poppies because its against the teachings is islam, but more so because its a quick and easy way to warlords to get some quick cash to pay for weapons and fighters to undermine the Taliban.

Better get some of those heroin futures, the price will go up.
 

LongRoad2Go

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All the 'stans' are little Islamic fiefdoms run by ex-Soviet nut-jobs ... except Afghanistan, which consists of Islamic warlord nut-jobs. Historically, Afghanistan prefers to run things themselves, something the British, Soviets, etc found out the hard way.

To complicate it, Islam doesn't exactly exhibit brotherly love towards the various sects that make up the religion - Sunni/Shiite both hate each other and all the others too. Though the treatment of the Uyghurs could unite a common cause.

So, China may be in for a nasty surprise if they try to use the religious bargaining card. And, since the Afghans use Russian military gear, I doubt the Chinese have anything to offer except to disrupt the balance of power which, based on history, the Afghans will win. Interesting days ahead!
 

mikehzz

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The Americans left in such a hurry, and the Afghan army surrendered or retreated so fast that the Taliban have a large stock of US weapons, ammunition, vehicles and aircraft they can use now.
 

CTL

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China is in bed with a lot of impoverished countries, nothing new here, move on.
And eleswhere, China owns most of the world’s rare earth mines. China is not stupid
 

boobook

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China is in bed with a lot of impoverished countries, nothing new here, move on.
And eleswhere, China owns most of the world’s rare earth mines. China is not stupid

And they don't have pesky elections every 2 1/2 years with backtracking, flip flopping and pork barreling to get in the way of long term strategies.
 

Triton14

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Surely China has a nine dashed line somewhere that covers Afghanistan.
Nothing is off limits to China.
If they see some advantage anywhere they will take it.

This map if obviously out of date because it does not stretch into Australia.

We know certain state premiers sold their souls to China already but to hopefully be overturned under new federal legislation!
China-Belt-and-Road-Initiative-map.jpg
 

boobook

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Nothing is off limits to China.
If they see some advantage anywhere they will take it.

This map if obviously out of date because it does not stretch into Australia.

We know certain state premiers sold their souls to China already but to hopefully be overturned under new federal legislation!
View attachment 72225

Remember the red bits of a map? Nothing new in 3000 years.


Greeks, Romans, Swedes, Ottermans, Spain, France, Dutch, England, Germany US and now China's turn.

We had better get used to it. This one will make the previous ones look like a teddy bears picnic
 

CTL

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Even the Sikhs invaded Afghanistan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan–Sikh_Wars
 

Triton14

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Remember the red bits of a map? Nothing new in 3000 years.


Greeks, Romans, Swedes, Ottermans, Spain, France, Dutch, England, Germany US and now China's turn.

We had better get used to it. This one will make the previous ones look like a teddy bears picnic
It was just a quick internet image search, I'm sure there is more up to date versions on current news websites.
At the end of the day covid could & most likely is the least thing we need to fear that originates from China!
They have the largest & best equipped military in the world. We would stand no chance against them in an invasion.
We could talk till we are blue in the face but in the end the US is our only protection.
We could only hope that in such an event the US has one of its Ohio class subs around that has 24 trident missiles that contain 288 nuclear warheads in total, the US has 14 Ohio class subs!
That's 4032 nuclear warheads that are each 4 times bigger in destructive power than the Hiroshima bomb in just 14 subs!

Yep Corona virus & the taliban is the biggest worry we have today :rolleyes:
 

Chatty

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The Americans left in such a hurry, and the Afghan army surrendered or retreated so fast that the Taliban have a large stock of US weapons, ammunition, vehicles and aircraft they can use now.
Except, as the Americans said - this is one case where the unreliability and high maintenance requirements of their typically high tech stuff works for them. The Taliban won't be able to use this stuff for long until it breaks and they don't have the means to maintain or fix it.
 
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