Charging electric vehicles

G_ute

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Toyota are investing a lot of money into solid state batteries, so they are not entirely focussed on hydrogen.

And an electric F-150 Lightning might make the owner feel a little better about thier emmisions than with the big V8, but its still going to chew more energy than a smaller vehicle.
I guess GM and Ford can drop their excess ICE truck inventory off at Walkinshaw's door, we seem to crave them for some reason. Personal carbon footprint be damned.
 

smitty_r51

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Toyota are investing a lot of money into solid state batteries, so they are not entirely focussed on hydrogen.

And an electric F-150 Lightning might make the owner feel a little better about thier emmisions than with the big V8, but its still going to chew more energy than a smaller vehicle.
I guess GM and Ford can drop their excess ICE truck inventory off at Walkinshaw's door, we seem to crave them for some reason. Personal carbon footprint be damned.
F150 has a claimed range of just 300 miles. They are aiming them at the tradie who never leaves town and carries nothing. What does a standard f150 get to a tank?
 

Bru9

Active Member
I did look into it for bikes coz the fruitcakes are banning them and it's a problem that is ultimately unsolvable sadly. Something has to give, and that will be the severe reduction in a quality of life for many, the current state of the world is proof that will happen. The range isnt there cold hard facts, the batteries so far simply dont last anywhere near long enough so the ongoing costs are a problem, it's not like building the battery diy, you gotta pay for someone's holiday house, $%$@ that :(How many people cant aford food on the table, these toys are driving up the cost of living.
Li-ion doesnt last long from fast rapid recharge, (1-2hrs to 80%), imagine the contraptions needed to keep all those cells cool???? of course there are lab stories that it's possible to charge li ion incredible fast, but probably be 20yrs before it happens and if it does there will no doubt be nasty catches or humans will have nuked themselves.
What ever kind of solar setup is used in the world there is going to be an enormous amount of land fill from panels later on, or forced recycling hahaha. The solar cell efficiency was long ago determined and it is much lower in practice than the theoretical upper limit.
 

discomatt

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How many people cant aford food on the table, these toys are driving up the cost of living.
3.9 billion people on the planet now face starvation, yes the gaps are getting massive, but its not these toys driving the difference in equality its government policies and corporations.
Don't worry about that a massive 4.5 million have died in this deadly pandemic thats costing trillions to save a few million lives of the wealthy (relatively speaking)
Sorry couldn't help myself but something to think about....
 

Kippie

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I did look into it for bikes coz the fruitcakes are banning them and it's a problem that is ultimately unsolvable sadly. Something has to give, and that will be the severe reduction in a quality of life for many, the current state of the world is proof that will happen. The range isnt there cold hard facts, the batteries so far simply dont last anywhere near long enough so the ongoing costs are a problem, it's not like building the battery diy, you gotta pay for someone's holiday house, $%$@ that :(How many people cant aford food on the table, these toys are driving up the cost of living.
Li-ion doesnt last long from fast rapid recharge, (1-2hrs to 80%), imagine the contraptions needed to keep all those cells cool???? of course there are lab stories that it's possible to charge li ion incredible fast, but probably be 20yrs before it happens and if it does there will no doubt be nasty catches or humans will have nuked themselves.
What ever kind of solar setup is used in the world there is going to be an enormous amount of land fill from panels later on, or forced recycling hahaha. The solar cell efficiency was long ago determined and it is much lower in practice than the theoretical upper limit.
Aaah, you're limited by your own imagination that's based on your current perception of the world. 30 years ago no-one foresaw how the internet would alter the way we live except for a few "nerds". The same goes with battery technology. Have a read of this.

Batteries of the future set to be cheaper and better — just by adding sugar

I only hope that this technology doesn't get sold overseas for commercialisation. It has already happened with solar pane technology. But that's another story.
 

sparksy

Member
This is a interesting read of a test done by Electric vehicle owners club in WA. Test charging of Ev's by a diesel gen set. Works out on average about equivalent to 5L/100Km for diesel used.



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Rusty Panels

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The biggest headache will be the massive line up at the charging station. Imagine being on holidays and queued up for days waiting for your turn to plug in. I honestly can't see it being a viable alternative for a long time to come. Hybrids are a way better choice for now.
 

Kippie

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The biggest headache will be the massive line up at the charging station. Imagine being on holidays and queued up for days waiting for your turn to plug in. I honestly can't see it being a viable alternative for a long time to come. Hybrids are a way better choice for now.
Swap and go batteries? Most new designs take a modular approach like a skateboard to enable the swap and go concept. Also, today most EVs are charged at home or at work. Not something an ICE can do, so whilst ICEs cannot refill other than at a fuel station, it will not be the same for EVs. Hence the need for the number of independent EV charging stations will be less than the need for fuel stations for ICEs. I hope this makes sense.
 

Albynsw

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I think EV as we currently know them will be short lived and a better technology will evolve even if it is a rapid charging system of some sort

Swap and go would be the best solution with the current battery technology
 

Kippie

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I think EV as we currently know them will be short lived and a better technology will evolve even if it is a rapid charging system of some sort

Swap and go would be the best solution with the current battery technology
It will be horses for courses. For daily commutes the current technology is adequate. For long distances there will be different solutions and each will have its own price tag. Just like ICEs today. There are Corollas and LandCruisers.
 

Rusty Panels

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Swap and go batteries? Most new designs take a modular approach like a skateboard to enable the swap and go concept. Also, today most EVs are charged at home or at work. Not something an ICE can do, so whilst ICEs cannot refill other than at a fuel station, it will not be the same for EVs. Hence the need for the number of independent EV charging stations will be less than the need for fuel stations for ICEs. I hope this makes sense.
Great idea but, you can't get vehicle manufacturers to design anything that is compatible with other makes so what chance is there that they will agree on a battery pack, battery capacity etc. Although when the Chinese take over we will probably only have one brand of vehicle to spend our hard earned Yen on so, it might work!
 

peterfermtech

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Aaah, you're limited by your own imagination that's based on your current perception of the world. 30 years ago no-one foresaw how the internet would alter the way we live except for a few "nerds".
And obviously you can't remember how painful the first 15 - 20 years were and still are for some.
 

Batts88

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I did look into it for bikes coz the fruitcakes are banning them and it's a problem that is ultimately unsolvable sadly. Something has to give, and that will be the severe reduction in a quality of life for many, the current state of the world is proof that will happen. The range isnt there cold hard facts, the batteries so far simply dont last anywhere near long enough so the ongoing costs are a problem, it's not like building the battery diy, you gotta pay for someone's holiday house, $%$@ that :(How many people cant aford food on the table, these toys are driving up the cost of living.
Li-ion doesnt last long from fast rapid recharge, (1-2hrs to 80%), imagine the contraptions needed to keep all those cells cool???? of course there are lab stories that it's possible to charge li ion incredible fast, but probably be 20yrs before it happens and if it does there will no doubt be nasty catches or humans will have nuked themselves.
What ever kind of solar setup is used in the world there is going to be an enormous amount of land fill from panels later on, or forced recycling hahaha. The solar cell efficiency was long ago determined and it is much lower in practice than the theoretical upper limit.
Might be a silly question but in relation to Li-io not liking fast charging is there much difference comparing Li-ion car battery to other types of Li-ion batteries. My Li-ion Makita drill batteries fast charge in less than 45 minutes and are a bit over 6yrs old they get used a reasonable amount and are still good.
 

Batts88

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It doesn't prove much to me except that if you are going to regulary take long trips get a car to suit with more range because they're available. Not sure why he done it or how it's suppose to help people I could do the same thing in a petrol car that has a small fuel tank then use one with a suitable sized tank that came as sandard.
 
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