Changes to Shannons insurance policies .

Albynsw

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If a representative of their insurance company was there and advised them that they would not be insured during the crossing do you think they would of gone?
The water was running a bit too quick for my liking
 

rmb3218

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Another update
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Club 4x4

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PDS is everything. Doesn't really matter what the rep says on the phone.

I'm with AAMI who also state no cover for "Driving into water". The rep said something to the effect of "If you take all precautions, you may still be covered", but I wouldn't bank on that.

Club4x4 do have a water crossing feature, but with a massive extra excess applied (20% of your payout total I believe).
A bit off topic, but I also had a bunch of other problems with them when getting a quote. Specifically that they increase your premium for claims even if you're not at fault. In my case, I had a motorcycle stolen and written off, the thief charged and convicted, no excess paid by me. Club4x4 wanted to raise my premium significantly for this. My quotes from AAMI, Allianz, NRMA etc weren't affected as it was a "Not at fault claim"

Just to get things really clear here - it is absolutely NOT 20%

Its a minimum of $2000 or 5% of the vehicle. Generally if you drown a car it will get totalled, so the excess gets reduced from your payout.

Kal
 

Traveller

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Would be lovely to get a response for the 'off topic' bit about upping premiums as well-have experienced and heard of similar..
I can't blame insurers for upping excess for water crossings though.
 

CaptainBanana

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It's all these peanuts you see on the Cape and gunshot and all that kind of stuff driving into a metre and a half of water just to be YouTube Sensations causing this problem for the rest of us who might occasionally find ourselves at risk.
 

Club 4x4

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Would be lovely to get a response for the 'off topic' bit about upping premiums as well-have experienced and heard of similar..
I can't blame insurers for upping excess for water crossings though.

Absolutely - it was covered well in another thread but more than happy to pop it in here too.

In reference to the increases - yes, we have seen in the last 24 months (moreso the financial year of 18/19) a need to make significant adjustments to our rating model. This caused a fair bit of pain but was a necessary move following what we found out about the portfolio over the first 3 years of the business. I wont blow smoke and say that there will never be increases again because the reality is it's a moving piece - as claims develop and the business continues to grow, which it has year on year regardless, continuous adjustment is required, not unlike any portfolio.

My advice to anyone and everyone is if you've found things unfavourable in the past, more than happy for you to have a go at us, but try another quote when your renewal comes up - it doesn't take a lot of time and by using the link up on the site here you give back to 4X4 Earth if you buy a policy

Regarding the commentary around the theft claim OR a not-at-fault claim and it having an effect on a policy at renewal. This is also true. It's true that some insurers will not consider a claim where you are designated as not-at-fault in the rating process. In our case we do and we always have. Our underwriter consider a claim where you're not at fault as a claim regardless. You don't get the same loading as an at fault claim or even moreso, a theft, but it will count towards the overall risk profile.

The transparent reasoning behind this is because when you lodge a claim with your own insurer for an event you're not at fault for there is still an administrative process that is undertaken and a recovery that needs to occur from a third party or another insurer. Often these recoveries are only partial as such a cost is still incurred that can be attributed to that policy.

I encourage anyone of you to try us out again, you may be surprised.

Kalen
 

03hilux

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Fair call me thinks

This all would come back to your earlier comment Alby regarding manufacturers wading depth. This is where the insurance company would have a way out.
On another thought, if my factory wading depth is 800mm, and I give my car a 2 inch lift, informed my insurance co, and they are ok with it, would it automatically increase my wading depth coverage?
 

phs

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Anyone able to comment of which insurers will still cover reasonable 4wding ie track river Crossings
 

CaptainBanana

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Anyone able to comment of which insurers will still cover reasonable 4wding ie track river Crossings

Shannon's seems to give the lowest premiums with the highest insured value and choice of repairer.

Other general insurers are cheaper and cover off road but insist you use their repairer for example try and Google reviews for smart capital who AAMI insists you use. Keep in mind the horrible stuff customers write about them only the customers Who Knew enough to see they stuffed up the repairs just how just imagine how many are going unnoticed

There's many options but your choice depends on how well you want your repairs done should something happen.
 
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dno67

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It's more reassuring to see the definition in text, not just some verbal conversion that may or may not have taken place over a phone.
 

CaptainBanana

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So this guys new to 4wds. This would be maybe his third time out and third time in something he had no hope of actually driving. This is why the rest of us are becoming uninsurable.
 

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eric9VR

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This all would come back to your earlier comment Alby regarding manufacturers wading depth. This is where the insurance company would have a way out.

I think you're right on that one. I think there are plenty of such moments in insurance agreements and policies, which allow insurance companies minimize their expenses and give it all to pay for a client. Talking of which, here is a resource ( link: https://www.americaninsurance.com/luxury-car-insurance ), where I found a lot of relevant information about insurance companies and their prices for the services they provide.
 
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bosurinko

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Hello, pal. Has there been an insurance price increase percent? I even didn't feel it. For example the company traders insurance, where I insured my car, didn't even increase anything in the price list of its services. For example, as I had 1200 for my Audi A5, it remained so. Furthermore, their prices tend to decrease every year. For example, each year I get a discount on extension on contract. All in all I'm quite happy I use their services and due to this save my nerves and money)
 
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phs

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What is everyone thoughts on Shannon’s and the cover in comparison to RACV?
Thinking of getting a quote just had our renewal come today and it’s $$$$ for some one that’s never had a claim in 18 years, and the fact it has left a locked garage 10 times in 6 month

Just looking over the fine details of the insurance renewal and the value won’t even get us a completely stock car car back so definitely need to have a look around
 
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CaptainBanana

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What is everyone thoughts on Shannon’s and the cover in comparison to RACV?
Thinking of getting a quote just had our renewal come today and it’s $$$$ for some one that’s never had a claim in 18 years, and the fact it has left a locked garage 10 times in 6 month

Just looking over the fine details of the insurance renewal and the value won’t even get us a completely stock car car back so definitely need to have a look around

No choice of repairer - limited value for modified vehicles, also the only company to ever battle me on a claim (boat) took a year to fight them and had their hand forced by the FSO.

If say not as bad as AAMI who insist you use SMART capital repair centres but far from good for modified cars.
 
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