CARP_NSW can be returned to the water

[ULost2]

after seeing so many dead and stinking dead carp on the banks of the murray river I thought it was about time the law; as I understood it was changed so dead carp could be thrown back into the water to feed other fish and the likes in the water way

It seems my understanding of NSW law was wrong as pointed out by the minister for primary industries in april 2014

I cannot comment on other states, or even Victoria atm. There would be some confusion in Vic as NSW controls the murray river water; but as I understand it Victoria controls it's side of the bank (???) But I will look into it now by sending off a few letters.

Maybe those in SA could do the same.

Much of this came about after I stood a bloody dead stinking carp at night when I photographing and it was not until I got into the car that I knew about it . I have heard of tourists in a house boat having to move because of the stink from piles of dead carp.

 

[Toddyh]

I always thought it was illegal to release carp back into rivers after catching them. Done some reading and apparently it is not. It's illegal to release live carp into waterways but this does not include fish caught at a particular location.
I would still do what these people have done though (leave the carp on the bank to die) with one exception. I'd take the dead carp home and feed them to the dogs.

 

[chris_stoffa]

Or , I'll repeat, you can eat em ( my dog LOVES fish to so long as I fillet em )
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2012/01/12/3407056.htm

Bury the heads & bones in the compost - the worms will love it and you won't need to buy Charlie Carp for the garden

After all , where would we be if somebody hadn't been the first to eat an oyster, durian, kimchi, Gorgonzola cheese , shrimp paste to name a few.

I'll almost guarantee that if you have eaten more than a few fish dishes at Asian restaurants that you have probably eaten carp

Give it a try........... Worst it will cost you is an esky full of ice slurry

 

[smitty_r51]

It is a very strong tasting fish... I tried it once... Painted it in chilli paste then bar bq it

Throwh them in the compost bin now

I was told you cant put the dead ones in (in sa) as the eggs can survive for ages out the water... I know i have had adult fish i have spiked then taken home that are still flapping hours later

 

[Chatty]

I am 100% certain that in SA you can't return (or release) a carp back to the water - dead, alive or otherwise. This applies to all 'waters' including rivers, dams (even on private property), lakes, etc.

And I leave them on the back and will continue to do so, even if it is legal to return a dead one to the water - like Smitty I understand that the eggs can survive for quite long periods.

For those interested, the relevant section of the SA Fisheries Management Act 2007 is reproduced below (notice that the Act does not differentiate between dead and live fish) and I understand that SA, NSW and VIC have harmonised their acts relating to noxious fish (although I could be wrong).

Unauthorised activities relating to exotic organisms or noxious species prohibited

(1) A person must not, except as authorised by a permit issued by the Minister—

(a) bring, or cause to be brought, into the State; or
(b) sell, purchase or deliver; or
(c) have possession or control of, aquatic resources of a noxious species.

Maximum penalty:

(a) in the case of a body corporate—$250 000;
(b) in the case of a natural person—$120 000.​

(2) A person must not, except as authorised by a permit issued by the Minister—

(a) release or permit to escape into any waters—

(i) exotic fish; or
(ii) aquaculture fish; or
(iii) fish that have been kept apart from their natural habitat; or​

(b) deposit in any waters—

(i) fish of a kind referred to in paragraph (a); or
(ii) exotic aquatic plants.

Maximum penalty:

(a) in the case of a body corporate—$250 000;
(b) in the case of a natural person—$120 000.​

(3) The Minister must, before making a decision on an application for a permit that relates
to, or is to apply in respect of, a specially protected area, consult with the relevant Minister.​

 

[Les PK Ranger]

2a "permit to escape" is a bit of a worry, some over zealous fisheries officer could technically book you if they saw you with a carp hooked up, and you subsequently lost it
(Are we in the axe thread or the carp thread ? . . . ah, good. No one start talking axes now, ya hear ? )

 

[Chatty]

2a "permit to escape" is a bit of a worry, some over zealous fisheries officer could technically book you if they saw you with a carp hooked up, and you subsequently lost it
(Are we in the axe thread or the carp thread ? . . . ah, good. No one start talking axes now, ya hear ? )

Let me check - yep, no axes buried in my skull - this must be the right thread.

I see your point, even though the intent, of course, relates to escape from captivity. But, yes an over zealous official (really, is there such a thing? ) could perhaps do you for letting one off the hook. A lot of emphasis would rest on that word "into".
Just to widen the conspiracy theory - what about if you reeled it in, dropped it on the bank and while your back was turned the damned thing flopped its way back to the water?

The fines are sort of scary

 

[oldlux]

what about if you reeled it in, dropped it on the bank and while your back was turned the damned thing flopped its way back to the water?

That's easy, it's clearly a 2a.

 

[ULost2]

thanks for jumping into the thread; some good info shared. I sometimes feel they are shutting the gate after the horses have bolted when it comes to carp.

I have since learnt that "LIVE" carp and redfin (??) can not be returned to Victorian water.
I have heard the worry of the eggs still surviving; that's why I would like people to cut the fish up before throwing it back into the water.

Got a cool reception the local pollies offices but the paper is interested in running a story. Maybe others living in the carp areas may gets some publicity going in that area. I will go for a wander after the long weekend around the local hot sp....smelly spots and get a few more pics for the local member's receptionist.

As for SA; nothing dumb would surprise me over there (talking pollies and dumber bureaucrats)

 

[Hewy54]

Carp are a vermin that have destroyed the ecosystem of the Murray. The laws are there to, in some small, way help this. If you fish and catch carp do not return them to water, dead or alive. Dispose of them in an appropriate way, as you do any other litter you create while away. How hard is it to dig a hole and bury the dead carcass?

 

[Blue_haired_man]

Carp are a vermin that have destroyed the ecosystem of the Murray. The laws are there to, in some small, way help this. If you fish and catch carp do not return them to water, dead or alive. Dispose of them in an appropriate way, as you do any other litter you create while away. How hard is it to dig a hole and bury the dead carcass?

Well put Hewy54,
If there's even a chance one carp egg that can survive, that's one too many.

And on a side note, on the subject of putting carp back into the water, it was put forward by greenies who refuse to kill a pest and the fact the government can't "force" anyone to kill an animal. A dead carp in a bin, or even a bank is a hell of a lot better than a dead carp in the water just in case.
Cheers Leo

 

[Billy C]

Crows don't even eat carp!
Burn or bury I reckon.
A bit of chopping before hand can only be therapeutic for the soul, not to mention some fish oil on the blade!
Let the worms and dirt deal with them!

 

[ULost2]

Carp Art; yeah OK, so they can have some use on the bank lol.

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1506 carp art by Ian Browne, on Flickr

asked a few over the long weekend and many thought it was illegal to return them to the water dead or alive.
I have the idea now to ask the ministers responsible to consider having leaflets printed for ranger/inspectors to hand out

Thanks for the comments

 

[smitty_r51]

Carp Art; yeah OK, so they can have some use on the bank lol.

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1506 carp art by Ian Browne, on Flickr

I can smell that from here !!

 

[ULost2]

I can smell that from here !!

No; it was way past that lol

 

[bushlux90]

Carp have a different smell to other fish. I mean a really bad smell......

 

[ULost2]

Starting my 'one bloke' war again on carp thrown onto the bank and left to rot and smell --- umm STINK!!! Most people fishing on the river that i talk to have the understanding that it's illegal to return even dead carp to the water so they become food for yabbies and other critters.
If they don't feel it's not legal or right to kill and return carp to the river then at least they should take them home/dispose of them in some way
And then there are those on boats who catch a heap of carp and dump them on the bank. That explains to piles seen along the river bank
Over the weekend I have thrown 1/2 a dozen or so dead smelly carp back into river; and that was only a 100 mts of river bank -- trouble is, Boof the rottweiler I'm walking and helping the train found one first and thought it would be lovely to roll on . Took her back to the darling x and said it's YOUR dog!!

please help me spread the word --- carp belong in the river; even when dead

 

[Deleted member 69390]

Same with Trout - they are a feral fish and should not be in the waterways.

 

[Blue_haired_man]

Starting my 'one bloke' war again on carp thrown onto the bank and left to rot and smell --- umm STINK!!! Most people fishing on the river that i talk to have the understanding that it's illegal to return even dead carp to the water so they become food for yabbies and other critters.
If they don't feel it's not legal or right to kill and return carp to the river then at least they should take them home/dispose of them in some way
And then there are those on boats who catch a heap of carp and dump them on the bank. That explains to piles seen along the river bank
Over the weekend I have thrown 1/2 a dozen or so dead smelly carp back into river; and that was only a 100 mts of river bank -- trouble is, Boof the rottweiler I'm walking and helping the train found one first and thought it would be lovely to roll on . Took her back to the darling x and said it's YOUR dog!!

please help me spread the word --- carp belong in the river; even when dead

Pretty simplistic way of looking at it. I've read multiple times that carp eggs can remain viable for extended periods even after decaying has started. I agree with you, dispose of them properly, as it is actually illegal to dispose of them on the bank, aka littering. But either way, there is not a chance in hell any carp I caught would go back in the water, or be left anywhere near the water. And I do understand we will probably never be rid of them in our waterways.

 

[smitty_r51]

In sa it is illegal to put a carp back dead or alive or even partial, I believe because of the eggs...

I hit them with a fire axe into rough fillets and then use them as crab bait...nothing brings the blueys in like a bit of arp