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Albynsw

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Another genuine question here too along the same lines

If the reasons for not eating meat is because you object to how the animal is treated, why isn’t a humanely treated option for meat not persued?

The only reason that market hasn’t been developed is because of the lack of demand for it. Any farmer would change his livestock handling ways if the market wanted it
 

Kippie

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Another genuine question here too along the same lines

If the reasons for not eating meat is because you object to how the animal is treated, why isn’t a humanely treated option for meat not persued?

The only reason that market hasn’t been developed is because of the lack of demand for it. Any farmer would change his livestock handling ways if the market wanted it
You're right. The consumer's demand for cheaper products, rather than quality products drives the production system towards low cost, mass products. However there are niche markets and specialist producers are supplying those to customers who are willing to pay a premium.
 

mikehzz

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Another genuine question... How do you feel about hunting wild game for food? would you try wild caught game if you were given the opportunity?
I have no problem with killing animals for food, it's a natural process. I decided I didn't want to push the responsibility of killing off onto others, to let them do the dirty work so that I can stuff my face. I doubt I would ever kill a cow unless my family was starving, so I don't eat cows. If I ever kill one it will be to eat it. That applies to every animal including fish for me. The commercial food chain is awash with horror stories, and before any snowflakes try and say I'm painting them all with the same brush, they aren't all horror stories, but I have no way of knowing one from the other when it's a slab of meat on a plastic tray. All I know for sure is that I didn't kill it, and I don't need animals to make a nice meal.
 

RDM

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I have no problem with killing animals for food, it's a natural process. I decided I didn't want to push the responsibility of killing off onto others, to let them do the dirty work so that I can stuff my face. I doubt I would ever kill a cow unless my family was starving, so I don't eat cows. If I ever kill one it will be to eat it. That applies to every animal including fish for me. The commercial food chain is awash with horror stories, and before any snowflakes try and say I'm painting them all with the same brush, they aren't all horror stories, but I have no way of knowing one from the other when it's a slab of meat on a plastic tray. All I know for sure is that I didn't kill it, and I don't need animals to make a nice meal.
Honestly that's probably one of the most level headed and reasonable responses I have ever had to that question! Generally I just get attacked for being a hunter. Personally I buy meat from the butcher as unfortunately I don't have the time to hunt absolutely all the meat me and my family eat! I do make sure all the meat we do buy is completely consumed. I have a real problem with putting meat in the bin which I feel comes from the fact I hunt so understand what is involved in putting meat on my plate.
 

mikehzz

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Honestly that's probably one of the most level headed and reasonable responses I have ever had to that question! Generally I just get attacked for being a hunter. Personally I buy meat from the butcher as unfortunately I don't have the time to hunt absolutely all the meat me and my family eat! I do make sure all the meat we do buy is completely consumed. I have a real problem with putting meat in the bin which I feel comes from the fact I hunt so understand what is involved in putting meat on my plate.
Mate, everyone has to live with their own conscience, you certainly don't have to live with mine and I wouldn't expect you to. There's too much of people trying to push their personal beliefs onto others as if they know the "answers". Nobody knows the answers, spread that around. :)
 

Albynsw

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Mate, everyone has to live with their own conscience, you certainly don't have to live with mine and I wouldn't expect you to. There's too much of people trying to push their personal beliefs onto others as if they know the "answers". Nobody knows the answers, spread that around. :)
That is the bottom line, you have to be true to yourself.
 

Choook

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Mate, everyone has to live with their own conscience, you certainly don't have to live with mine and I wouldn't expect you to. There's too much of people trying to push their personal beliefs onto others as if they know the "answers". Nobody knows the answers, spread that around. :)
That is the bottom line, you have to be true to yourself.
That is what this all boils down to, "Do your own thing" and if someone tries to tell you that you are doing your thing wrong, tell them to ........ go away.......not necessarily that politely either.

Don't tell me how to do my thing and I want tell you how to do your thing.
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
So who wears leather boots when camping???? Or uses any other leather products ???
Just asking, you don't really have to answer.
And who does not wear a leather belt or any other leather stuff??
Or who does not live in a house with wooden frames that take trees from the forests and deprives or results in the death of animals or birds who live there.????
And who loves eating fish who have their mouth torn out with hooks???
Or who eats fish that are caught in nets with many other species like dolphins, seals, etc. who die???
And who keeps pet dogs or cats locked up in their houses while they are away at work all day ???
Should keeping of pets be banned totally???
What about keeping birds locked up in cages for the benefit of those who like birds locked up in cages for the rest of their lives???
Who dumps kittens in the bush and expect others to kill them???
And who takes their sick pets to the vet to uthanize them because they can't bring themselves to kill them????
Maybe one day there will be a judgement day.
 

Albynsw

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My wife’s view is that she could give up eating meat but not her leather shoes, belts and handbags. The two go hand in hand.
Our son is a vego but as a zookeeper has to euthanise animals and cut up and prepare a lot of meat to feed the animals as part of his job
 

mikehzz

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The world is a very complicated and interconnected web of relationships. Where do lines get draw, you have to draw the line somewhere. An example, what if an animal activist needs an electrician, pays the electrician for the job and he buys a steak lunch with the money? Are there vegan friendly cars that are manufactured by using no animal products? Does the corporation that supplies vegan products also own a company that processes animal products? I think you're fooling yourself if you think you can isolate yourself and your actions from the rest of the world in an attempt to take some sort of moral high ground. Therefore, you have to draw a line. It's the line that satisfies your conscience, that says,"I'm doing the best I can under the circumstances". The vegetarian zookeeper has to chop meat to feed the animals. The animals sometimes need to be killed. He wears a leather belt. The animals are kept in cages. The only relevant point is the zookeeper's conscience and how he reconciles all of it, and it's nobody else's business but his. The world is brim full of stupidity. You can have 2 churches full of people praying to 2 entirely different imaginary beings....errr I mean gods and people accept it as normal when it's clearly ridiculous, to me anyway. If anyone thinks vegans appear stupid and contradictory, they aren't the only ones.
 
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