Another war.

Albynsw

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And here is the problem, they are as bad as each other which any intelligent person can see so why is it that most in the western world support one side while condemning the other and labelling them as terrorists
The US claims in public they want a peace deal while behind closed doors they provide weapons and support
All this will end up like another Afghanistan, years of lies, war, murders and misery for those involved which in the long run achieved absolutely nothing, zip ,zero
You can not kill ideology , all they do is entrench hate and division which enforces radical ideology and thinking in the minds of millions

Agree with what you are saying, the US is thinking it is safeguarding their position on the world stage in their usual clumsy manner

You would think some lessons were learnt in Afganistan but apparently not. Violence is never going to fix the problems there and if anything Israels actions has probably instilled even more retaliatory violence and retaliation for themselves in future generations

What a way to live……….
 

Corndoggy

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And here we go again.
Australians that are in Lebanon and Israel had been advised to getout of there as soon as they can, leave immediately, and this was from the start, if not before the fighting started in ernest.
Well guess what.
Now we got some Australians begging the government to do something to get them out by arranging flights for them.
Gee we got some Richard Crainiums.

And now Iran has joined in on it with bombing Isreal.

And again it looks like my old old old friend Nostradamus and his prediction of ww3 being a religious war and emanating from the Middle East area might, just might be a correct prediction.
 
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cam04

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And here we go again.
Australians that are in Lebanon and Israel had been advised to getout of there as soon as they can, leave immediately, and this was from the start, if not before the fighting started in ernest.
Well guess what.
Now we got some Australians begging the government to do something to get them out by arranging flights for them.
Gee we got some Richard Crainiums.

And now Iran has joined in on it with bombing Isreal.

And again it looks like my old old old friend Nostradamus and his prediction of ww3 being a religious war and emanating from the Middle East area might, just might be a correct prediction.
If there where no resources there it wouldn’t even be page 5 news let alone another world war.
 

typhoeus

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Its almost laughable, watching the news: to think people believe the BS that they are trying to feed us. There was some israeli nob talking about " irans unprecedented attack" on them, its not unprecedented, as its a response to israeli strike against people in their country, and which killed some of their citizens. Israel is so cocky they thought they could just get away with it, or that iran is so scared of israels big brother (US) that they wouldnt do anything about it.
Israel is pushing the boundaries, banking on the world believing the rhetoric and outright lies. They are covering up the war crimes by destroying tv stations in Syria so the reports cant be broadcast.
 

lars cordes

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From that statement I take it that you believe that all Palistinians are terrorists. And if they were the whole state would have been up in arms instead of just trying to get their family to a safe zone, only to be bombed again by the Israel's.
And from the treatment the Palistinians people have been subjected to from Israel I can see why there would be hatred towards them.
You need to realise there are three groups here. Israel's, Hamas and the Palestinian people.
Your statement should have been "So Israel & Hamas both have the total destruction of each other as their main goals".
The culling of Palistinians is just a bonus to the Israel's. Kill two birds with the one stone.
But unlike the attacks in Lebanon where Israel has said the fight is with Hezbollah, not Lebanon or its people, the fight in Gaza was to take over the whole place for themselves.
not necessarily all palestinians are terrorists but it appears theres a lot of them involved with hamas & hamas seems to enjoy high levels of support, though i understand theyre not into democracy as such (hamas that is) ... so i take it u believe all israelis are involved in the conflict
 

Corndoggy

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not necessarily all palestinians are terrorists but it appears theres a lot of them involved with hamas & hamas seems to enjoy high levels of support, though i understand theyre not into democracy as such (hamas that is) ... so i take it u believe all israelis are involved in the conflict
Definitely not all Israel's and I have never said that. But israel is not controlled by a terrorist organisation, although that is a point of contention by their actions within Gaza and their disregard for the lives on Gazan men, women and children in their actions. Hey but it's Israel and have world wide investments, influence and power so it can be expected that they can get away with what could be war crimes for others. And when you are controlled by terrorists with guns that have their own agenda to enforce would you be one to stand up against them, then be shot in the head. And if Israel wasn't so intent on having control of everything that has to do with Gaza and left them to look after themselves, and stop taking over the land there with their illegal settlements, in which these settler's are known to attack Palistinians, killing some and destroying their crops and buildings. These are not Hamas members. Israel are no angles when it comes to things that have contributed in this war.
The fact that only weeks ago there was 750,000 protesting in the streets against this war and the lack of effort to make some deal to get those hostages, if any are alive now, back. We would think if we had 75,000 at a rally or protest we were doing bloody good. 750,000 against Netyyahhoo. And before you say deals have been rejected, it takes two to tango the saying goes. I would think Netyyahhoo would not accept any deal unless it is the deal that he wants, full stop , no ifs or buts. Right there you will never strike a deal. And what have those proposed deals been. Well we will never know. All we know is they have been rejected.
Netyyahhoo has himself rejected all calls to slow down, take some heat out of this and try to stop the escalation of war, claiming it would assist the other side if fighting stopped. Someone has to do it but it certainly will not be Netyyahhoo so why would the other sides stop, I'll use the word, defending the attack on them from Israel. Attacks are not a one way street, they come from both sides, so does defending one's self.
Now we got Iran and Yemam in this confict.
I'm not defending terrorist organisations but this is what we have to deal with and deals have to be made, then enforced and stuck to. For the benefit of all involved. But not happening here and never has been and never will be. Far too much history of hate on all sides. And the idea of eliminating these terrorist organisations is a fairy tale. Just look at the war to get rid of the Talliban. We sure got rid of them.
Enough of a rant.
 

typhoeus

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Ive posted this before somewhere here some months ago. , seems truer now tho
 

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typhoeus

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Heres a quote from another news source i havent yet verified the details but thT shouldnt be hard if its factual.

The modern state of Israel is a relatively new phenomenon that would not exist were it not for a generation of terror unleashed on the former inhabitants of the land.
Before May 31, 1948, the land now known as Israel was called Palestine. It was taken over at the leadership of David Ben Gurion, a Polish man who transformed the former Zionist terror groups known as Haganah, Stern Irgun, and Palmach into what is now known as Israel Defense Forces, or the IDF.
Israel as it currently exists is a settler-colonial state, meaning it was captured by force and turned into what it is today: a major point of contention in the Middle East. The Palestinians, as they are now called, remain at odds with the Israeli settlers who took their land.
Because Israel has not yet achieved its final endgame for the region, the fighting continues as the IDF wages war in both Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is also trying to push Lebanon and its Hezbollah forces further north, not to mention Israel's ongoing problems with Iran.
There is much animosity between the two sides as the Palestinians feel as though Israel has stolen their land while Israel feels as though God gave them the land to take. As a result, there has been much bloodshed over the years as the two sides duke it out for the spoils.
Related: Did you know that Israel plays recordings of children crying to trick Palestinian parents into making themselves visible so they can be shot to death by IDF snipers?)

Who are the real terrorists?​

As ugly as the events of Oct. 7, 2023, were, it remains a fact that Israel let down its guard that day, allowing Hamas fighters easy access. This appears to have been intentional to allow Israel to manufacture tales about babies baked in ovens and women raped as a pretext for a full-scale invasion of Gaza.
The methods that the IDF has been using to fight Hamas are nothing short of terrorism, at least as the United Nations (UN) General Assembly defines the term as "causing death or serious bodily harm to civilians for the purpose of intimidating a population."
"Entire residential buildings are reduced to rubble in the name of 'assassinating' resistance fighters, whether in Gaza, the West Bank, or even Beirut," writes Khalil Harb for The Cradle.
"The Israeli government has normalized bloody attacks on hospitals, churches, and mosques and weaponized communications technology to annihilate people in homes, offices, and streets en masse – to strike fear into civilians and force them into submission."
From the very beginning, Israel has acted defiantly with regard to international law and even basic moral principles. One can tell from looking at the way Israel behaves that its leaders and some of its people feel as though they are superior to the rest of the world, and should thus be afforded special privileges as "God's chosen.
"Terrorism is the most powerful weapon for Israel, the 'gang state' that is now nicknamed 'Netanyahu's gang,' and its security and military apparatuses," Harb further writes. "This gang mentality has long been part of the Zionist ideology, which cloaks its goals in lofty religious rhetoric while simultaneously unleashing depraved acts of violence and domination."
"Almost a century later, Israel still struggles to attain legitimate standing, its existence perpetually marred by its violent birth and sustained oppression of the Palestinians."
Ben Gurion, it should also be noted, was engaged in campaigns of ethnic cleansing and displacement, as was Ukrainian Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky who was the first to call for the militarization of Zionism to confront the indigenous populations of what is now considered to be the land of Israel
 

LongRoad2Go

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'Lebanese Foreign Minister Abdallah Bou Habib confirms Hezbullah agreed to a ceasefire, and the Lebanese government informed America, who said Israel also accepted.
Then Israel killed Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah.
This is US diplomacy.'

Video here. I'm not sure how to get video out of a tweet.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but why are they blaming the US? According to the Lebanese Minister's comments, the US and the French were both informed, yet the comment ends with 'This is US diplomacy'. That's shooting the messenger, not the one who pulled the trigger. Certainly blame Israel, not the US (or the French) until otherwise proven.
 

John U

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Perhaps I'm missing something, but why are they blaming the US? According to the Lebanese Minister's comments, the US and the French were both informed, yet the comment ends with 'This is US diplomacy'. That's shooting the messenger, not the one who pulled the trigger. Certainly blame Israel, not the US (or the French) until otherwise proven.
What I take from it is
Hezbullah agreed to a ceasefire
the Lebanese government informed America, america said Israel also accepted.
Then Israel killed Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah.

So Israel accepted the terms of the ceasefire and then broke them.

Dunno if I posted it earlier, but there was some reports of Biden talking deescalation, while simultaneously Bidens back office boys were speaking to Israel saying the back anything Israel chooses to do against Lebanon. This might make the picture a bit more complete.

The US is speaking with a forked tongue, Israel is doing whatever it wants,
 
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discomatt

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Heres a quote from another news source i havent yet verified the details but thT shouldnt be hard if its factual.

The modern state of Israel is a relatively new phenomenon that would not exist were it not for a generation of terror unleashed on the former inhabitants of the land.
Before May 31, 1948, the land now known as Israel was called Palestine. It was taken over at the leadership of David Ben Gurion, a Polish man who transformed the former Zionist terror groups known as Haganah, Stern Irgun, and Palmach into what is now known as Israel Defense Forces, or the IDF.
Israel as it currently exists is a settler-colonial state, meaning it was captured by force and turned into what it is today: a major point of contention in the Middle East. The Palestinians, as they are now called, remain at odds with the Israeli settlers who took their land.
Because Israel has not yet achieved its final endgame for the region, the fighting continues as the IDF wages war in both Gaza and the West Bank. Israel is also trying to push Lebanon and its Hezbollah forces further north, not to mention Israel's ongoing problems with Iran.
There is much animosity between the two sides as the Palestinians feel as though Israel has stolen their land while Israel feels as though God gave them the land to take. As a result, there has been much bloodshed over the years as the two sides duke it out for the spoils.
Related: Did you know that Israel plays recordings of children crying to trick Palestinian parents into making themselves visible so they can be shot to death by IDF snipers?)

Who are the real terrorists?​

As ugly as the events of Oct. 7, 2023, were, it remains a fact that Israel let down its guard that day, allowing Hamas fighters easy access. This appears to have been intentional to allow Israel to manufacture tales about babies baked in ovens and women raped as a pretext for a full-scale invasion of Gaza.
The methods that the IDF has been using to fight Hamas are nothing short of terrorism, at least as the United Nations (UN) General Assembly defines the term as "causing death or serious bodily harm to civilians for the purpose of intimidating a population."
"Entire residential buildings are reduced to rubble in the name of 'assassinating' resistance fighters, whether in Gaza, the West Bank, or even Beirut," writes Khalil Harb for The Cradle.
"The Israeli government has normalized bloody attacks on hospitals, churches, and mosques and weaponized communications technology to annihilate people in homes, offices, and streets en masse – to strike fear into civilians and force them into submission."
From the very beginning, Israel has acted defiantly with regard to international law and even basic moral principles. One can tell from looking at the way Israel behaves that its leaders and some of its people feel as though they are superior to the rest of the world, and should thus be afforded special privileges as "God's chosen.
"Terrorism is the most powerful weapon for Israel, the 'gang state' that is now nicknamed 'Netanyahu's gang,' and its security and military apparatuses," Harb further writes. "This gang mentality has long been part of the Zionist ideology, which cloaks its goals in lofty religious rhetoric while simultaneously unleashing depraved acts of violence and domination."
"Almost a century later, Israel still struggles to attain legitimate standing, its existence perpetually marred by its violent birth and sustained oppression of the Palestinians."
Ben Gurion, it should also be noted, was engaged in campaigns of ethnic cleansing and displacement, as was Ukrainian Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky who was the first to call for the militarization of Zionism to confront the indigenous populations of what is now considered to be the land of Israel
And after all this, which is pretty easy to go back and verify look at how the news portrays each side, look at how all western governments support Israel , look at who provides the weapons and look at what is said about promoting the agenda and the overall situation
Blind Freddy could see there are some pretty extreme examples of government manipulation and lies yet much of the general public still stay the course
Hearing Dutton yesterday speak about possible protests in Melbourne was sickening
 

LongRoad2Go

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Nothing new for those here that remember the Cold War. Every conflict following WW2 has been a Proxy War fought between those with Western sympathies and those with Eastern sympathies. The old foes with the $$$ remain the same - Russian and China, though with a few more players who have dragged themselves out of the sand pit and became third-party sponsors - Saudi's/UAE and Iran.

Places like Lebanon and Israel found themselves in the middle (quite literally) because they generally have Western ideals, but are surrounded by countries with Eastern ideals = forever wars. So, like I said, nothing new to see here, history repeats.

Looking at the bad economic status of Russia and China at the moment, it will be interesting to see just how much support Hezbollah and Hamas continue to receive. As usual, Iran is being Iran and playing with fire, thinking they won't be touched ... maybe they need to reflect on what happened to Libya.
 

Albynsw

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Nothing new for those here that remember the Cold War. Every conflict following WW2 has been a Proxy War fought between those with Western sympathies and those with Eastern sympathies. The old foes with the $$$ remain the same - Russian and China, though with a few more players who have dragged themselves out of the sand pit and became third-party sponsors - Saudi's/UAE and Iran.

Places like Lebanon and Israel found themselves in the middle (quite literally) because they generally have Western ideals, but are surrounded by countries with Eastern ideals = forever wars. So, like I said, nothing new to see here, history repeats.

Looking at the bad economic status of Russia and China at the moment, it will be interesting to see just how much support Hezbollah and Hamas continue to receive. As usual, Iran is being Iran and playing with fire, thinking they won't be touched ... maybe they need to reflect on what happened to Libya.

There has been a lot of criticism on this thread about theYanks and their allies but as you say, the underlying thread in all this is the East V the West.
I was reading an article this morning about Israel‘s potential targets in Iran of military airstrips and oil wells , both of which are used by China and Russia, you can see how easily all this can escalate to the bigger boys getting involved
 

LongRoad2Go

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There has been a lot of criticism on this thread about theYanks and their allies but as you say, the underlying thread in all this is the East V the West.
I was reading an article this morning about Israel‘s potential targets in Iran of military airstrips and oil wells , both of which are used by China and Russia, you can see how easily all this can escalate to the bigger boys getting involved

Exactly.

In the broader context it's, as I said, history repeating itself - the precursor to the Cold War was another, now seemingly forgotten but still significant conflict of ideals, called 'The Great Game' between the British and Russian Empires involving bits of the same areas. 'The Great Game' was perhaps brought into public awareness by Rudyard Kipling, in his book 'Kim' (1950's movie with Errol Flynn).

Seems like 'The Great Game' is continuing, and the stakes remain the same.
 
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