Another Tow Ball Tragedy - RIP Ryan - Warning graphic images

Rusty Panels

Well-Known Member
A huge vehicle, very well stuck in mud which has undoubtedly glued the entire underneath down as well. The use of static straps which have no give and a lot of horsepower being used in the attempt. Something had to give and looking at that situation it obviously was not going to be the Ford F truck. It was either going to require a lot of digging or a complete lift with a crane. A D9 dozer and a couple of aircraft carrier mooring ropes may have done the trick but then the recovery points would more than likely have sheered off and caught the dozer operator. Very sad situation. Hopefully others learn from their mistake.
 

Petunia

Well-Known Member
I had the benefit of hindsight, looking at the pictures. There was no hurry, no incoming tide? the chain is glorified dog chain, but why has not one of you even remotely suggested trying to pull it out backwards?

And ..... go [tell me your expert opinion on that?]
 
Every time I see a snatch recovery it scares the shit out of me.
I bought a recovery hitch & snatch strap from Supercheap Auto to go in my towball slot in case I had to get snatched out backwards, but would be very loathe to use it.
I also bought a Hilift jack and that hook attachment which goes in the wheel slots. Digging, lifting and putting wood/rocks/mats under the wheels would be my 1st port of call if I get bogged. I saw what happened to my mate when his BT50 was bogged down to the chassis and the difficulty local farmers with 2 Hilux's hooked up to it with chains had getting him free.

The only time I ever got snatched out was decades ago when I had borrowed someone else's Hilux for a guiding job as mine was in the workshop & being a complete 4WD newbie, I did not realise it had manual hubs unlike the auto hubs in my old girl which were not engaged. So I got stuck in a little bog hole at a camp site & this bloke said "excellent, I just got this snatch strap & have been busting to use it". So he hooked it all up, raced to his 4WD and flawed it while I was still standing by the open drivers door of my 4WD about to hop in. Effin' idiot nearly cleaned me up with my own door! Then of course my 4WD rocketed out of the bog with no-one in it. Thankfully, it stopped just before hitting a tree.

That incident put snatching down the list as a last resort for me.
 

boobook

Well-Known Member
Every time I see a snatch recovery it scares the shit out of me.
I bought a recovery hitch & snatch strap from Supercheap Auto to go in my towball slot in case I had to get snatched out backwards, but would be very loathe to use it.
I also bought a Hilift jack and that hook attachment which goes in the wheel slots. Digging, lifting and putting wood/rocks/mats under the wheels would be my 1st port of call if I get bogged. I saw what happened to my mate when his BT50 was bogged down to the chassis and the difficulty local farmers with 2 Hilux's hooked up to it with chains had getting him free.

The only time I ever got snatched out was decades ago when I had borrowed someone else's Hilux for a guiding job as mine was in the workshop & being a complete 4WD newbie, I did not realise it had manual hubs unlike the auto hubs in my old girl which were not engaged. So I got stuck in a little bog hole at a camp site & this bloke said "excellent, I just got this snatch strap & have been busting to use it". So he hooked it all up, raced to his 4WD and flawed it while I was still standing by the open drivers door of my 4WD about to hop in. Effin' idiot nearly cleaned me up with my own door! Then of course my 4WD rocketed out of the bog with no-one in it. Thankfully, it stopped just before hitting a tree.

That incident put snatching down the list as a last resort for me.
Interesting how people have different point of view. Not wrong, just different.

I think a snatch, properly done, is quite safe, and much safer than a high lift jack. That means getting a quality one, caring for it and mounting/loading it properly.

I would never carry or use a high lift jack because I can't think of any use for one that can't be done more safely and more effectively another way, and they scare the living shit out of me since I have seen a few incidents with letting go and sliding sideways. Heavy, bulky useless outdated accessories IMHO.
 

rogerazz

4x4 Earth Contributer
Have used both snatch straps and High Lift Jacks for recoveries. Using right tool and common sense is the go.
 

mikehzz

Well-Known Member
High lift jacks are too heavy for me to bother with, but then. I don't ever want a car that has a massive lift and suspension travel. I've seen people hurt badly after getting hit with the lifting arm unexpectedly springing up...ouch! I wouldn't let a stranger snatch me either, I don't want "killed by a dumb arse" on my tombstone if I can possibly help it. :)
 

dwaynejk

New Member
I can't see them being that effective. With the energy put into strap that suddenly breaks part of the vehicle off, a small additional strap isn't going soak up much recoil, especially when the vehicle that is accelerating suddenly has extra acceleration from being freed from the load its pulling.

Turns out Mad Mat has already done the testing:



I'd say the crack started in the heat affected zone right next to the weld, right about where this brace is welded on. The brace would provide some strength to stop the drop hitch from tucking under the vehicle if you backed into something or the trailer pushing you down the road, but under tension its the point where a ludicrous amount of leverage is focused.

Once it started to yield, the aditional leverage of the drop hitch would tear the crack wider and it would propagate rather quickly.


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Unlucky mate! I've run into a similar issue before but fortunately was able to carry out a DIY repair and save $. Used gouging carbon rods (this is what I used) for the clean and preparation work before re-welding. Happy to share any further tips :)
 
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