And will we get the Jeep Gladiator

discomatt

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#85
WAY OFF TOPIC OF THE JEEP, but I am OK with that, LR is IMO a more interesting topic anyway, although that new jeep does look the goods and will probably be an awesome truck.
Yes truck, like the 70 series cruisers it will be a truck, good if thats what you want, personally I want something that is way safer and better where it spends 90% of its time and also very capable the.other 10%. Land Rover absolutely nailed that with the D4 !!
So back to the new Defer, so what IF they have taken bits from other models ???
LR have always been at the forefront of 4wd design and innovation with other manufacturers then following suit, first 4wd with air bags, ABS, TC, auto that works off road and the list goes on. So why wouldn't they move away from solid axles and the like for the new Defer??
I can't wait for the new Defender and I hope it will be a decent unit and viable replacement for when my D4 needs to be retired.
 

Rhett HS

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#86
Something that is more directly relevant to the jeep gladiator is that the most recent article i read suggested that land rover are seemingly not focused on the dual cab ute market with the new defender.
 

Rhett HS

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#88
Most of that low score seems to be for reasons that wouldnt concern an offroader, but it sounds like the safety cell could be better.

Pedestrian safety is pretty irrelevant when most will fit a bullbar.

AEB, who wants a confused line of command anyway?

Curtain airbags seem to be an option, so that might be covered.
 

smitty_r51

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#89
Euro ncap is scored on four sections, lowest score determines the safety rating.
The jeep got above average on pedestrian and child occupant safety, 50%on adult safety and bugger all on accident prevention... This is all the autonomous braking, traction control, lane departure stuff they add that are for on road not off. The issue for me isn't the jeep got one star but the fact the ncap rating system has been buggered about so it is no longer about how well it survived a crash
 

Rhett HS

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#90
I think its better to wander a bit in one's lane than to be white knuckled. Being too focused on staying between the lines can be fatiguing, and take focus away from other important areas, such as looking at the road ahead, and the view too, of course.

So i expect that i would turn it off anyway? Plus, i dont want to become habituated to something that wont work in some circumstances, such as when there isnt a white line, or when you hop in a vehicle that doesnt have it. Its all getting too complex. If it works, people will start to think that dozing isnt so bad, and will drive when fatigued.
 
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Barra GU

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#91
Yes yes I know, you need live axles , diff locks and 35's at a minimum to be a decent 4wd...;)
Well yes the above mentioned do seperate the boys from the men on the difficult tracks.

You can still have a decent ifs these days with all the bells amd whistles but they won't go to those places id personally take my rig.

It will be all going down the ifs road soon because truth be told they go where 90% of where the sassd rigs go amd also ride heaps better on road so i guess they have to make them.suit the masses....

Which is why i plan on using the cruiser for road duties and the patrol for off road
 

Rhett HS

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#95
If only the twin cab utes had this IFS set up , they wouldn't be littering the local tracks with broken C/Vs
Yeah. If only.

Although, probably more than 50% of cv breakages are due to strut top spacers, excessive coil lifts, and driver error.

Guys are already fitting strut top spacers to ranger raptors............
 

Tink

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#96
It's a thing of the past, same as the leaf spring discussion in the 90s
The new Gladiator has coils all round and disc brakes all round. How many of the current Japanese dual cabs have both of these on each corner?
As for solid axles, well they are just simply stronger than an IFS setup. Important for remote travel, not so much for tootling along a local dirt road.
Tink
 

phs

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#97
The new Gladiator has coils all round and disc brakes all round. How many of the current Japanese dual cabs have both of these on each corner?
As for solid axles, well they are just simply stronger than an IFS setup. Important for remote travel, not so much for tootling along a local dirt road.
Tink
The video shows IFS / IRS can do the job
As for wear and tare ok for the rear but solid fronts still need more maintenance than the rear.

I had a front diff oil leak on my 79 after looking into possible causes it seems it's not that uncommon for the 79 front diff housings to loosen or crack if they get used a lot off road, no quick fix once they start leaking either
 

Tink

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#98
The video shows IFS / IRS can do the job.
Yep, sure, with a team of mechanics and a truck load of spare parts following you. You really think comparing a specialist off road racer built with premium, no expense spared, purpose built suspension and driveline is truely comparable to a $50-$100K mass produced fourbie.
As for wear and tare ok for the rear but solid fronts still need more maintenance than the rear.
In what way does a solid axle need more maintenance?
I had a front diff oil leak on my 79 after looking into possible causes it seems it's not that uncommon for the 79 front diff housings to loosen or crack if they get used a lot off road, no quick fix once they start leaking either
And that is why I am looking at alternatives to a 79. The Jeep axles are stronger from the limited research I have done so far.
Tink
 

silkwood

Active Member
#99
Most of that low score seems to be for reasons that wouldnt concern an offroader, but it sounds like the safety cell could be better.
I'm not sure the results "wouldn't concern" me off road. Did you read the rating for Frontal Offset Deformable Barrier and Frontal Full Width tests?
Cheers,
Mark
 
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